Battlestar Galactica question? **spoilers**

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We have been watching Battlestar Galactica recently. I'm a newcomer to the fold - just started watching it in the last few weeks. (Sometimes it takes me longer than everyone else to jump on the bandwagon.) We've just finished the first disk of Season Two, and Cally just shot Sharon.

Elysium and I have been discussing all along who we suspect of being a Cylon, and I'm sure you all have done the same. Gaeta seems like an obvious choice, for example. But Elysium just raised a question that just about knocked me down. Here it is:

Is Cally a Cylon?

1. We don't have any family history/backstory on her.
2. Number Six knew that "one would turn on group" when they were on Kobol.
3. Cally is the one who stopped the mission from taking place as planned.
4. Cally killed Sharon.

Is she like Sharon - an unknowing Cylon? What do you guys think?

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Souldaddy, I suggest you slap yourself awake, read the title of this thread and than maybe Elysia's post again, than immediately delete your post. I mean really, it's beyond ridiculous.

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souldaddy, slap yourself awake NOW and delete the first paragraph of your post.

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It's hard to say. It's entirely possible that the writers haven't even decided yet and are leaving it open, which they often do, based on what I've heard from the commentaries/podcasts. Cally has always been a sort of secondary supporting character but they keep her involved in many of the more important events which means it's certainly possible. I wonder if we'll get any exploration of her character in the next season.

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There's no real way to be sure at this point, since like Desram said the writers themselves might not be 100% who the Cylons might be (however I'm sure that Ron Moore has the whole series outlined: he said as much if I remember correctly).

However, if you haven't already, jump into Season 2: it's excellent.

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Based on information given in the first season, I'm not sure you can tell if she's a Cylon or not. I think what Number Six meant, however, is that Gaius was going to betray the group (which he did, since he shot whatshisface, and that, too, essentially stopped the plan from going forward). We'll never know if Cally would have gone through with her orders eventually, or whether Whatshisface would have shot her and assigned her orders to someone else, making the plan still go through, but in the end, I think it was Gaius who was probably being referenced.

Of course, you bring up a *really* good point, that in the end, it really was Cally who was the motivating force to stop the mission. And she really doesn't have much of a backstory yet, although you do find out more about her later (but then again, Sharon also had a backstory too). And I've noticed that all of the Cylons seem to be, in some way, connected with love; from what I've seen, I think Cally's got it bad for the Chief (though, of course, do you really think he's going to go for her now, now that she's shot the love of his life?). Maybe Cally is a Cylon? I don't know.

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Aww man, I hate it when I see posts after something's been edited...

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You didn't miss much Warlock. He posted spoilers for the rest of season 2 without realizing that Elysia is only 4 episodes in to the season.

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No. The best part is when you shout CYLON at a cast member and turn out to be right!

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Elysia wrote:
Is Cally a Cylon?

The Battlestar wiki came up with the following questions/tests for use in determining whether or not someone is a Cylon agent.

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  • The suspect must have a regular association with other Cylon agents (whether they realize the character is an infiltrator or not). A "regular" association means that the character speaks often (weekly, if not daily) to, or has/had direct duties with another agent. Suspects that speak regularly to other suspects in this list are, for the purposes of this article, not applicable to this qualifier. Many Viper pilots and Galactica command staff who've worked with the Sharon Valerii copy known as "Boomer" would meet this qualifier.
  • The suspect must not have any adult children or siblings. For purposes of this article, a pregnancy can be generally established as a disqualifer. However, while identical Colonial twins have not been shown in any episode, it is conceivable that Cylon agents could disguise themselves by posing as twins.
  • The suspect must not have a verifiable family history (marriages do not disqualify unless a child was conceived).
  • The suspect cannot be old enough to have witnessed or participated in the Cylon War.
  • The suspect does not have reliable histories that places them in direct association (working or personal relationship) with a disqualified (confirmed human) character for more than 2 years prior to the destruction of the Colonies.

So far, we have no verifiable history on her prior to signing up with the Fleet and she's definitely not old enough to have seen the original Cylon War. She's definitely on the list.

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Those rules are like, already a little broken.

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What I don't get, is how the Cylons are so hard to detect... as they would have to have some sort of ...thing to be able to broadcast their souls away. Unless they don't, hell I don't understand their biology, as if they are impossible to detect from humans, and possibly have the same DNA, then... aren't they human?

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My understanding is that they are cloned but have some synthetic bits.

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Desram wrote:
Those rules are like, already a little broken.

I'll give you the association one, but all the other ones are still quite valid, even with the last revealed Cylon agent.

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S2 Spoiler: Isn't Cavil fairly old? I really don't think age should be a rule. Especially when we all know that Adama is a cyclon

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Desram wrote:
Those rules are like, already a little broken.

Well, they don't make sense when you watch the show, but Ron Moore has made some definite statements outside of the show that support most of them. He's a funny guy, RDM obviously loves to play with expectatations.

Anyway, the non-spoiler stuff I wrote. RDM said that cylon agents are definitely not based on actual human beings. There never was a human Boomer.

He said that the cylons made 12 models based on their ideas of human archtypes, perhaps like the Zodiac. That's fun speculation, imagining which models match the greek zodiac, if it refers to greek astrology at all. I've heard some sanskrit in the show.

Anyway, that leads me to believe that Cally is not a cylon, simply because she is too similiar to Boomer. They have similiar personalities. The cylon models are supposed to be rather sharply defined. Also, RDM said that the Cally character was a bit part until the actor grew on them.

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Cavil pushed the Chief back to work, to make ammends with Cally. Seems like some kinda plan. But that would suggest the doctor is a cylon too. Don't know much about his past.

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What I don't get, is how the Cylons are so hard to detect.

It may not be that they are hard to detect, but that Baltar 'can't detet them. He was the one heading up the project. Maybe if another team was on it they would have figured out a way.

On the other hand, military implies a somewhat rigid health and background inspection so it may be unsetectable through any normal means.

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It may not be that they are hard to detect, but that Baltar 'can't detet them.

Oh no, he can in fact detect them. He had Sharon sniffed out already, but chose to keep his mouth shut.

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I can't wait to see what you think of the Baltar character at the end of this season, Elysi.

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I can't wait to see what you think of the Baltar character at the end of this season, Elysi.

I hope she stopped reading this thread a while ago... Threads like these are bad ideas for anyone who wants to try and remain spoiler-free.

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It may not be that they are hard to detect, but that Baltar 'can't detet them.
Oh no, he can in fact detect them. He had Sharon sniffed out already, but chose to keep his mouth shut.

What I meant is that he made the higher ups think he could not detect them. This in turn made the people thing they were 'undetectable.' If a different group without his problems were on it, they may have figured something out.

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He said that the cylons made 12 models based on their ideas of human archtypes, perhaps like the Zodiac. That's fun speculation, imagining which models match the greek zodiac, if it refers to greek astrology at all. I've heard some sanskrit in the show.

So do you think Six = Virgo?

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I can't wait to see what you think of the Baltar character at the end of this season, Elysi.

I hope she stopped reading this thread a while ago... Threads like these are bad ideas for anyone who wants to try and remain spoiler-free.

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So do you think Six = Virgo?

She is totally a Leo. Boomer is a Cancer.

Recently revealed cylon(s), if any actually appear on the show:

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Cavil is a Taurus. And Xena Warrior Princess is just a bitch.

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souldaddy wrote:
Yes, it's hard for us to pretend not to have knowledge we have.

Not really, you just don't mention it. I don't shout out to kids on the street that the Easter Bunny is a sham. ()

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Figured I'd start here instead of making my own thread. I finally got around to watching Battlestar, and I loved it. It's definitely the best sci-fi on tv right now. But there were a few nitpicks I had with the series. One is kind of mentioned above in the wiki entry.

Where are all the twins? Even assuming statistics can't really be relied upon and considering the random chance of the originally 50,000 survivors, there should have been anywhere from a couple hundred to 1,000 twins. When the whole "Cylons look like us now!" hysteria hit the fan, I thought it would at least receive a tiny mention somewhere.

And I didn't get the chance to go back and see if these episodes were all written by the same person, but for awhile I was tired of how many "flashback" episodes there were. Step 1: A person is about to die. Step 2: Episode zig-zags back and forth between now and then until you reach point of death. Step 3: Person is saved. If I wanted a story that formulaic I'd flip the channel over to "House".

And the NYPD Blue "shaky-cam" gets obnoxious at certain moments.

The way everyone falls in love with everyone else has a very soap opera (space opera?) feel to it. And you always know how they're going to resolve a love triangle because...they kill someone.

And if you consider Cylon's robots, then the use of the Cylon-Human baby blood to cure the President's cancer was a literal Deus ex Machina. I wonder if that was an inside joke. I don't mean this in a bloodthirsty way, but I kind of wanted her to die. It just seems pointless when people throw in this "I'm dying" aspect to a story and then just bulldoze over it. Plus, if it's that powerful, you'd think there'd be a baby farm or something. I mean, they're going to consider killing it because it's not human but not using it to cure every disease known to man?

I like how the religious aspects aren't really downplayed or even removed from the show. It seems like that takes guts nowadays. Though I also think it's funny the good guys are heretic Greeks and the bad guys are born again Christians. At least on the surface.

I briefly lost interest when I realized they weren't going to find Earth by the time the season ended. I was extremely curious to see if it would turn out there were no people there, or it would be our Earth present day, roped into a galactic war, or any number of things. I wonder if they'll ever reach it?

Anyway, I love the show. I need my webisodes. End rant. I did have a question though. What's the deal with 6's and Baltar's weird mind connection? Obviously it's not actually Baltar or 6 speaking in the other's head, but they seem perfect recreations of how they'd actually react. I'd vote against the Baltar as a Cylon idea, because if he was, there'd be no point to having 6 seduce him.

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