Fallout or Fallout 2?

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Now that my dirty secret is out, the question of which game someone who hasn't played the series should play arises. I've always gotten the sense that the original was a better game, but in terms of modern sensibilities, Fallout 2 may be easier to swallow in the year 2006.

What's the verdict? No spoilers please!

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I played a little of both. They seemed pretty similar, so I played more of Fallout 2. I didn't get too far though. I found the user interface in the game to be hard to deal with. But that's just me.

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Play both of them, but if you have to choose one I'd just go with the original Fallout. I like to be sequential in a game series if at all possible.

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My thought right now is that realistically, I'll only play one of them.

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Certis wrote:
've always gotten the sense that the original was a better game, but in terms of modern sensibilities, Fallout 2 may be easier to swallow in the year 2006.

I'd go with the original. Really, though, there's very little difference in terms of technology (graphics, interface, etc), and gameplay changes from the original to #2 are subtle. I don't see Fallout 2 really holding up any better or worse than the original, but maybe a few years of separation has erased some things from my memory.

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Fallout and Fallout 2 use the same engine and graphics. The first game is better in terms of storyline, writing, humor, etc. The second is better in terms of mechanics and features but it had a different director so a lot of the humor is immature (lots of toilets and lesbians).

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I personally liked Fallout 2 better. Bigger world, more freedom, a more intriguing plot, better characters, more hidden easter egges. Basically everything fallout was, just bigger and more fleshed out.

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There are a few interface improvements in Fallout 2, I seem to recall, as well as the ability to better equip your teammates. For example, in Fallout 2 you can give them armor, so they actually survive the endgame encounters. Also, in Fallout 2 you get a bitching car. And you can store stuff in it.

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There's some slight interface improvements in Fallout 2 (most notably the inventory management), and there's no pesky time limit, but otherwise it's about the same as 1, except bigger, and overly full of pop-culture references and sex.

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To Fallout 2's credit, it's much more viable to be a martial artist. Once I punched a guy in the crotch so hard he exploded.

To Fallout 2's disrcredit, martial arts are somewhat overpowered. As a level 4 character I confronted a Deathclaw, one of the most dangerous creatures in the game. On my first hit, which would've been the only I would've gotten, I hit him in the eyes and got a critical, thereby blinding him. Then I proceeded to slowly beat him to death as he cowered in the corner.

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That's hardly the same as being overpowered though. You can get freak critical hits with any weapon. If you had been able to do that consistently, it'd been another thing.

I agree about hand-to-hand combat being a whole lot more fun in the sequel though, so that's one thing to add in its favour.

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LobsterMobster wrote:
To Fallout 2's credit, it's much more viable to be a martial artist. Once I punched a guy in the crotch so hard he exploded.

To Fallout 2's disrcredit, martial arts are somewhat overpowered. As a level 4 character I confronted a Deathclaw, one of the most dangerous creatures in the game. On my first hit, which would've been the only I would've gotten, I hit him in the eyes and got a critical, thereby blinding him. Then I proceeded to slowly beat him to death as he cowered in the corner.

Good times, good times. Attacking hookers with the switchblade you pulled off their pimp who you just shot. Washington thinks GTA was bad. . .

I played Fallout 2 a lot and then lost the disk. Oh the sadness. I loved it, I had Fallout but never fired it up so all I can really advise is for you to play one of them.

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Certis wrote:
Now that my dirty secret is out, the question of which game someone who hasn't played the series should play arises. I've always gotten the sense that the original was a better game, but in terms of modern sensibilities, Fallout 2 may be easier to swallow in the year 2006.
What's the verdict? No spoilers please!

IMO Fallout 1 was the real Fallout game. Fallout 2 took a step in the wrong direction. First of all, it starts out, and goes on for a long while, in an excruciatingly boring and tedious fashion, before it becomes interesting. Second, this is no longer the post-nuclear world we know and love. There's no bottle caps used as currency. They actually use dollars now, and they have ... large cities. This is no longer Fallout.

Also, Fallout 2 has zero graphics enhancements over Fallout 1, at least any that could be actually noticed. Same resolution, same drab 8-bit color palette. The storyline is a lot lamer/wackier too. Instead of the civilized guy with "13" logo on his back, looking for a new waterchip for your vault, you're some pansy spear-yielding tribesman from a village you don't give a crap about.

The reason I didn't give a crap about the village and hoped they all died is because in Fallout 1 you go outside the vault into the world immediately, while in Fallout 2 you're stuck with boring and useless quests in your own village for a while. Also, there are "psychic visions" in Fallout2. But of course, because you're a Mayan villager or somesh*t ! It really didn't work for me.

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I wonder if I still have the Fallout 1 disk around.

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Whichever one lets you do this.

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Actually Certis you will get both.

I think I bought the pack (it comes with both) from gogamer for 5 bucks a couple of months ago.

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Btw Fallout 1 works 100% fine under XP as long as you select "Windows 95 compatibility mode" in the shortcut properties. You may have to create a shortcut to setup.exe and check that box for it too before installing.

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Whichever one lets you do this.

That'd be 2. My characters porn name was "Pokeahotass".

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Original Fallout.

That's my vote.

Nothing beats Dog. You don't need any other groupies. If they die, they weren't strong enough for the Wastes. But if Dog dies, and you don't, then... you go back and reload a save. Makes me all teary-eyed just thinking about it.

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After reading Fletcher's article, this seems like the perfect laptop game to hold me over until Oblivion arrives. Anyone have any tips where to pick up the bundle? GoGamer doesn't appear to carry it and the only listing that I've seen is at Amazon @ $30.

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Whatever the turnout of this thread is I too shall follow it since I never played either. At least once I finish Silent Storm.

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Chum wrote:
After reading Fletcher's article, this seems like the perfect laptop game to hold me over until Oblivion arrives. Anyone have any tips where to pick up the bundle? GoGamer doesn't appear to carry it and the only listing that I've seen is at Amazon @ $30.

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I've seen the bundle pack go for much cheaper on Ebay. I have the original casings myself, but the duo deal doesn't seem like anything to up your nose at.

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Fallout 1 as a whole fills me with more nostalgia, because of the immersive storyline (the intro! the finale! everything in between!), but Fallout 2 had some kick-ass moments too.

Graphics are the same, game mechanics have been improved in some ways. BUT Fallout 2 was EXTREMELY buggy: 90% into the game (that's easily 25h or so, I don't remember) I got stuck due to a bug that prevented me from leaving an underground base. I always used 5 savegames which I overwrote in a cycle, but I had none on the outside. Très frustrating, needless to say I never restarted.

I have to ask though: why play Arcanum first, and THEN Fallout? You sir, are insane.

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Haakon7 wrote:
Original Fallout.

That's my vote.

Nothing beats Dog. You don't need any other groupies. If they die, they weren't strong enough for the Wastes. But if Dog dies, and you don't, then... you go back and reload a save. Makes me all teary-eyed just thinking about it.

Dog was in Fallout 2. The reload rule still applied.

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Vrikk wrote:
Chum wrote:
After reading Fletcher's article, this seems like the perfect laptop game to hold me over until Oblivion arrives. Anyone have any tips where to pick up the bundle? GoGamer doesn't appear to carry it and the only listing that I've seen is at Amazon @ $30.

Chum

I've seen the bundle pack go for much cheaper on Ebay. I have the original casings myself, but the duo deal doesn't seem like anything to up your nose at.

I bought Fallout 1, 2 and Tactics in one package. That was a long time ago though.
Fletcher's article on The Escapist was great, if only because he made me remember the finale.

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dejanzie wrote:
BUT Fallout 2 was EXTREMELY buggy: 90% into the game (that's easily 25h or so, I don't remember) I got stuck due to a bug that prevented me from leaving an underground base. I always used 5 savegames which I overwrote in a cycle, but I had none on the outside. Très frustrating, needless to say I never restarted.

To be fair, Fallout2 was unplayably buggy out of the box, but with the last patch, its become fairly stable.

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Also, in Fallout 2 you get a bitching car. And you can store stuff in it.

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Well, in second Fallout, Dog could be found only via random encounter, so it`s not the same.
They`re both good. Its actually one of those rare games where sequel doesnt suck. And ignore the purists, they`re rebels without a cause. Yeh, Fallout2 was damn buggy, but why should you care now, when its patched up for good. Visit No Mutants Allowed and you`ll find even fan-made patches, that picks up where Interplay left. And a mod that activates some quests and characters left out from the retail version for some reason.

Anyway, if you plan on playing either of them- start with first one, since there are developments and characters that show up in the sequel and its just not the same if you dont know these people or their descendants. And if you finish Fallout and dont have the urge to play the sequel, you`re simply Not Worthy, dear sir, and i do not fear your CEO stick.

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shihonage wrote:
dejanzie wrote:
BUT Fallout 2 was EXTREMELY buggy: 90% into the game (that's easily 25h or so, I don't remember) I got stuck due to a bug that prevented me from leaving an underground base. I always used 5 savegames which I overwrote in a cycle, but I had none on the outside. Très frustrating, needless to say I never restarted.

To be fair, Fallout2 was unplayably buggy out of the box, but with the last patch, its become fairly stable.

I played it last year, completely patched. I always check fansites for unofficial patches too. Unfortunately, I still got stuck near the end.

In any case, I'd go for Fallout 1. Fallout 2 may be a bit more fun at times due to the tweaked gameplay, but Fallout 1 was emotionally more powerful due to the brilliant storyline.

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I'm about 2/3 through Fallout 1 right now. I'd forgotten that you get the Corvega in 2. I was looking forward to driving it again. I remember the infantile humor though. I'm enjoying the hell out of 1, but I can't make a call until I get some time in on 2 again.

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Put me down for Fallout, though I really think that F2 is hardly a worse game. Yes, there is some infantile humor in the package. The Fallout games are pulp parodies, folks. It was to be expected, and really didn't bother me, since even the crudest jokes were treated with a bit of style and restraint (compare this to Vampire: Bloodlines' all-out cleavagefest, which was really only ridiculous).
Anyway, Fallout was in many ways more contained than the sequel. Less areas, less quests, less freedom, yes, but there's still a damn huge world to explore, and the smaller scope just helps keeping the plot together.

That said, we all know you'll break down and play them both

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