IMO World of Warcraft pretty much closed the door on the "medieval MMORPG" genre for about a decade. Whoever ventures after WoW into that territory (DDO, Middle Earth Online, etc), much like a boozed-up teenager climbing in a ring with Mike Tyson, will suffer a catastrophic defeat - the price they pay for their arrogance.
No matter how long the teenager studies boxing, he's still a stupid teenager, you know what I'm saying ? No matter how crazy and old Tyson gets, he's still Tyson. WoW is not just a happy coincidence, it is a result of experience and craftsmanship that most companies just don't have.
Someone with prior experience in the area (Sony) still stands a chance with Everquest 2, but for a newcomer, hitting a home run with their first baby... of this caliber... against Blizzard... impossible. WoW makes all the glaring flaws in the competition stand out like something that really stands out a lot.
I'll wait and see. D&D's been a part of my life for damned near 30 years (though it's been a good 10 or 12 since I've done the real pen and paper variety), so I'll at least give it a look. But I agree with shihonage - they don't stand much of a prayer.
I tend to agree with Shihonage, although DDO has a few things going for it: 1) the big name, obviously and 2) a chance to market itself as a truly 'different' sort of game from WoW, so as to not appear to be in direct competition. But no, I won't be buying it.
Will I be buying the game? Yes, I plan on picking up a copy of the limited edition.
Will I be playing the game? No. I'm buying for D&D/PC game collector purposes only because I expect this one to fade into the darkness at free-fall speeds.
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Wednesday, February 15th, 2006 - 6:38pm
Viking wrote:
I'll wait and see. D&D's been a part of my life for damned near 30 years (though it's been a good 10 or 12 since I've done the real pen and paper variety), so I'll at least give it a look. But I agree with shihonage - they don't stand much of a prayer.
Change "30" to "20" and you've pretty much summed up my opinion. (Of course, I've actually engaged in PnP D&D much more recently.)
It's going to take something with an unprecedented level of awesomeness to drag me away from WoW, even if it does say D&D on the box. I have a friend, however, who will buy anything that says D&D on it, and he's been trying to convince me for months now that we have to give it a shot. Therefore, I'll probably get dragged into it, which will lead to me resenting it, which will lead to me being upset about it sucking. (Can you tell we've done this before?)
It won't be able to replace PnP D&D - at least, not in my eyes - and I'm already committed to an MMO that sucks up all my time. You've got to give them credit, though, for attempting to launch an MMO against WoW.
If I didn't drink, Crom would laugh and cast me out of Valhalla when I die. Peer pressure I can handle, but not when it comes from Crom. -Lobo
Geeze, you guys are so cynical with the marketing plant stuff. The penny-arcade post was probably the worst thing to happen to forums since goatsex. And, btw, check out his profile, he's been registered at the site for well over a year, longer than some of you.
Geeze, you guys are so cynical with the marketing plant stuff. The penny-arcade post was probably the worst thing to happen to forums since goatsex. And, btw, check out his profile, he's been registered at the site for well over a year, longer than some of you.
But that's what plants do. We know this because it's what he did and he's a plant.
"All that time you waste dating and having sex could be better spent scouring the web for new game developer press releases." - Quintin_Stone
Sorry not a plant.... I used to play wow... got bored was actually in the GWJ guild played with duckideva, leaping... etc. I just like D&D used to play the pen and paper version a long time ago. I am happy someone is making an mmorpg of it, though I dislike the eberron campaign setting. I wish I was being payed by a software company to spend time comming on chat boards and posting stuff like this... In reality I am an underpayed engineer in good'ole buffalo NY. Oh and Thanks for the love...
Given how much there still is for me to do in WoW (just switched servers...again), I don't forsee leaving anytime soon. I definitely won't be approaching MC-ready status until later this year most likely.
That said, it looks like they've got something that 'could' work with DDO. I'll definitely be watching the posts here for comments once it goes live. It did seem to me that the beta was a bit short, unless I missed something?
Maybe I'll give it a spin down the road. They're just going to need to work triple-overtime to pull me out of Azeroth.
Looking at a weak maybe for the time being. I've been a fan of the pen and paper world for a while, but never had much time to play extensively. For me it will probably come down to how acessible the game is from a casual players perspective.
"Screw the speed of light, fan-boy rage is my new gold standard for measuring velocity." - Dr. J
"Lupus with a crowbar is the meaning of life itself." - Certis
Well...I put the money down for the pre-order and played with the 10-day beta key. I was going into the game with the forgone conclusion that I would hate it. My guild and I were very disappointed with EQ2, and DDO looked very similar.
I was pleasently suprised to say the least. I did the "tutorials" and one of the first things I noticed while in the beginner dungeon was that there was an actual DM narrator talking to me. Stuff like, "You see footprints on the ground inticating creatures have recently been here", or "You feel a light gust of wind...could there be secrets hidden in this room?". This little touch really brought me into the game.
The graphics are very nice, sound is good, character creation is somewhere between CoH and WoW...but not as good or bad as either.
Lag right now is awful in the main cities, however; I account this to beta issues and the fact that they have everyone on one server right now.
This is not a solo-type game...so having friends to play with is a must.
I play a level 60 Rogue in WoW...and I marvel at how useless I am as a class in the end game. In this game, traps are very real and hurt, so a Rogue is a must in most cases. Every class has a roll, which is refreshing from WoW. I love WoW, needed a break and DDO seems to be fitting the bill so far. They're off on the right foot, but only time will tell if this is a WoW killer for me.
I will not be buying DDO. Unless of course the rest of my friends do, then I will succumb to peer pressure.
I have a couple of reasons for this...
1) I have my hands full with WoW. I have not seen all the 5 man stuff and I still have things I would like to do.
2) No solo content means I am either at the whim of pick-up groups or at the whim of other peoples schedules.
3) repeat the quest, repeat the quest, repeat the quest. I am very concerned that in order to progress in the game you will have to synch up quests with people/guild mates. This will mean repeating the same quests over and over and over. Don't ask me why that seems ok in WoW and not in DDO. Maybe because you can solo it in WoW.
"My motto is, if it's not strong enough to release bowel control, it's not strong enough!"
Morrolan
Sorry not a plant.... I used to play wow... got bored was actually in the GWJ guild played with duckideva, leaping... etc. I just like D&D used to play the pen and paper version a long time ago. I am happy someone is making an mmorpg of it, though I dislike the eberron campaign setting. I wish I was being payed by a software company to spend time comming on chat boards and posting stuff like this... In reality I am an underpayed engineer in good'ole buffalo NY. Oh and Thanks for the love...
If it makes you feel any better, I did include a smilie to help convey the joking nature of my accusation.
I'm in 'wait and see' mode on this one. I really like some of the ideas they have, but I'm in the usual GWJ mode of not being able to schedule time to play with other people. Even decent content for Duos would be OK as usually you can hook up with someone who isn't a complete retard, but the odds of doing that enough times to fill a group are slim. It seems like this game really demands a party of 5 to get the most out of it.
I never minded piracy. Anyone who minds about piracy is full of sh*t. Anyone who pirates your game wasn't going to buy it anyway! -Warren Spector
Sorry, I have a mistress and her name is Guild Wars. Interest in WoW tapered after less than a year (got two characters to around 35).
By what I'm reading (here and elsewhere), DDO is sufficiently similar to GW for it to safely slide by for me. And - the GW expansion pack is coming ion a month, which should keep me on my toes for quite a long while to come.
So sorry DDO, it's a no-no here too.
Fedaykin98 wrote:
And so far there isn't, but I think we'll both be a LOT happier when there is. That would get me in bed at a decent hour, and she can sleep through it anyway.
There was an NPR piece on DDO last night about 6pm from an ex-D&Der. It always makes me smile when games make it to national news. Not that NPR is really "mainstream", but still, it makes me smile. Was a nice little 3-5 minute piece that actually piqued my interest in the game a little bit.
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
Let me say that ee_geek played with us a lot last weekend and was a great member of our party. He also gave my ranger a composite shortbow +1. Good guy.
I really think DDO is great, and as I've said elsewhere, has the opportunity to be the online version of PnP D&D. I'm not comparing it to any MMOs because I don't know MMOs, but if your idea of D&D is adventuring with the same general group of people on a regular basis and working together to finish quests, that's what DDO is. Like others have said, there are traps out there that will instantly kill your tanks/wizards/etc if you don't have a rogue. It really rewards working together. I told an amusing story in another thread about how our party split up in a dungeon where we thought the quest was basically over, and everyone ended up dying except me (because I hung back and used stealth, not because I'm 31i+3 or anything).
I'm not as in love with DDO as some others, but I will say that criticism from those who haven't tried the game seems out of place. Also, to answer this:
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Someone with prior experience in the area (Sony) still stands a chance with Everquest 2, but for a newcomer, hitting a home run with their first baby... of this caliber... against Blizzard... impossible. WoW makes all the glaring flaws in the competition stand out like something that really stands out a lot.
This statement is meaningless, if for no other reason than Turbine (the developers of DDO) have made MMOs before this (AC and AC2, and are now working on LOTR as well). Also, WoW is Blizzard's first MMO. You are saying that it would be impossible for a newcomer to MMOs (which Turbine, despite your comments, is not) to hit a home run, and at the same time saying that a newcomer to MMOs (Blizzard) hit the greatest home run of all time. Which is it?
I'm trying not to be a fanboy here (I'm actually not sure whether I want to devote the required time and money to DDO - it might eat my life), and I'd appreciate it if we could all abstain from such.
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- Legion, taking "keeping it in the family" to a whole new level.
I also don't see DDO as an MMOG, really. Isn't the vast majority of all content instanced for your party? So, primarily, the MMO parts are more like meeting rooms to go play a Small Multiplayer Online RPG together? I could be completely misunderstanding what I'm reading/hearing, but it really seems like that.
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
I also don't see DDO as an MMOG, really. Isn't the vast majority of all content instanced for your party? So, primarily, the MMO parts are more like meeting rooms to go play a Small Multiplayer Online RPG together? I could be completely misunderstanding what I'm reading/hearing, but it really seems like that.
You've got the right impression... it's just as MMO as Shot-Online (a free golf game... which is actually quite fun)
The city areas and taverns are common, but all the dungeons and quests are instanced.
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Irongut wrote:
We should all paws a moment to reflect on this horrible act.
A 3d graphical "server browser", in effect?
Boiled down to give the least amount of credit to the devs and designers, sure, but possibly the best "server browser" ever?
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
Plant!
IMO World of Warcraft pretty much closed the door on the "medieval MMORPG" genre for about a decade. Whoever ventures after WoW into that territory (DDO, Middle Earth Online, etc), much like a boozed-up teenager climbing in a ring with Mike Tyson, will suffer a catastrophic defeat - the price they pay for their arrogance.
No matter how long the teenager studies boxing, he's still a stupid teenager, you know what I'm saying ? No matter how crazy and old Tyson gets, he's still Tyson. WoW is not just a happy coincidence, it is a result of experience and craftsmanship that most companies just don't have.
Someone with prior experience in the area (Sony) still stands a chance with Everquest 2, but for a newcomer, hitting a home run with their first baby... of this caliber... against Blizzard... impossible. WoW makes all the glaring flaws in the competition stand out like something that really stands out a lot.
Yeah that was my first thought too.
This thread does not scale to my level.
I'll wait and see. D&D's been a part of my life for damned near 30 years (though it's been a good 10 or 12 since I've done the real pen and paper variety), so I'll at least give it a look. But I agree with shihonage - they don't stand much of a prayer.
Joedeth
Ironjoe
I tend to agree with Shihonage, although DDO has a few things going for it: 1) the big name, obviously and 2) a chance to market itself as a truly 'different' sort of game from WoW, so as to not appear to be in direct competition. But no, I won't be buying it.
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Yep. I'll take Plant for $400, Alex.
Will I be buying the game? Yes, I plan on picking up a copy of the limited edition.
Will I be playing the game? No. I'm buying for D&D/PC game collector purposes only because I expect this one to fade into the darkness at free-fall speeds.
WoW Baelgun: Omusa, Spits
Change "30" to "20" and you've pretty much summed up my opinion. (Of course, I've actually engaged in PnP D&D much more recently.)
It's going to take something with an unprecedented level of awesomeness to drag me away from WoW, even if it does say D&D on the box. I have a friend, however, who will buy anything that says D&D on it, and he's been trying to convince me for months now that we have to give it a shot. Therefore, I'll probably get dragged into it, which will lead to me resenting it, which will lead to me being upset about it sucking. (Can you tell we've done this before?)
It won't be able to replace PnP D&D - at least, not in my eyes - and I'm already committed to an MMO that sucks up all my time. You've got to give them credit, though, for attempting to launch an MMO against WoW.
If I didn't drink, Crom would laugh and cast me out of Valhalla when I die. Peer pressure I can handle, but not when it comes from Crom. -Lobo
Man, the plant is going to walk away from this thread crying. Poor plant
This thread does not scale to my level.
He showed up in an earlier thread about DDO, too. I hope we haven't damaged the poor guy.
If I didn't drink, Crom would laugh and cast me out of Valhalla when I die. Peer pressure I can handle, but not when it comes from Crom. -Lobo
Geeze, you guys are so cynical with the marketing plant stuff. The penny-arcade post was probably the worst thing to happen to forums since goatsex. And, btw, check out his profile, he's been registered at the site for well over a year, longer than some of you.
But that's what plants do. We know this because it's what he did and he's a plant.
"All that time you waste dating and having sex could be better spent scouring the web for new game developer press releases." - Quintin_Stone
ee_geek, I still love you.
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Sorry not a plant.... I used to play wow... got bored was actually in the GWJ guild played with duckideva, leaping... etc. I just like D&D used to play the pen and paper version a long time ago. I am happy someone is making an mmorpg of it, though I dislike the eberron campaign setting. I wish I was being payed by a software company to spend time comming on chat boards and posting stuff like this... In reality I am an underpayed engineer in good'ole buffalo NY. Oh and Thanks for the love...
Now we have plants masquerading as underpaid engineers from Buffalo, NY. Honestly, what is the world coming to.
Note to Alien13z....you need to get your butt back to Azeroth. This whole "spending time on real life stuff" is completly unacceptable.
WoW Baelgun: Omusa, Spits
Given how much there still is for me to do in WoW (just switched servers...again), I don't forsee leaving anytime soon. I definitely won't be approaching MC-ready status until later this year most likely.
That said, it looks like they've got something that 'could' work with DDO. I'll definitely be watching the posts here for comments once it goes live. It did seem to me that the beta was a bit short, unless I missed something?
Maybe I'll give it a spin down the road. They're just going to need to work triple-overtime to pull me out of Azeroth.
"There's too much blood in my caffeine system..."
BHA - Cuanos/Crowlie/Kasparov
Looking at a weak maybe for the time being. I've been a fan of the pen and paper world for a while, but never had much time to play extensively. For me it will probably come down to how acessible the game is from a casual players perspective.
"Screw the speed of light, fan-boy rage is my new gold standard for measuring velocity." - Dr. J
"Lupus with a crowbar is the meaning of life itself." - Certis
If you buy D&D Online then the Viral Marketers have WON.
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Well...I put the money down for the pre-order and played with the 10-day beta key. I was going into the game with the forgone conclusion that I would hate it. My guild and I were very disappointed with EQ2, and DDO looked very similar.
I was pleasently suprised to say the least. I did the "tutorials" and one of the first things I noticed while in the beginner dungeon was that there was an actual DM narrator talking to me. Stuff like, "You see footprints on the ground inticating creatures have recently been here", or "You feel a light gust of wind...could there be secrets hidden in this room?". This little touch really brought me into the game.
The graphics are very nice, sound is good, character creation is somewhere between CoH and WoW...but not as good or bad as either.
Lag right now is awful in the main cities, however; I account this to beta issues and the fact that they have everyone on one server right now.
This is not a solo-type game...so having friends to play with is a must.
I play a level 60 Rogue in WoW...and I marvel at how useless I am as a class in the end game. In this game, traps are very real and hurt, so a Rogue is a must in most cases. Every class has a roll, which is refreshing from WoW. I love WoW, needed a break and DDO seems to be fitting the bill so far. They're off on the right foot, but only time will tell if this is a WoW killer for me.
Hope this helps.
http://commonsensegamer.com
I will not be buying DDO. Unless of course the rest of my friends do, then I will succumb to peer pressure.
I have a couple of reasons for this...
1) I have my hands full with WoW. I have not seen all the 5 man stuff and I still have things I would like to do.
2) No solo content means I am either at the whim of pick-up groups or at the whim of other peoples schedules.
3) repeat the quest, repeat the quest, repeat the quest. I am very concerned that in order to progress in the game you will have to synch up quests with people/guild mates. This will mean repeating the same quests over and over and over. Don't ask me why that seems ok in WoW and not in DDO. Maybe because you can solo it in WoW.
"My motto is, if it's not strong enough to release bowel control, it's not strong enough!"
Morrolan
I don't think he's a plant. I've never known a ficus to type.
/second
If I didn't drink, Crom would laugh and cast me out of Valhalla when I die. Peer pressure I can handle, but not when it comes from Crom. -Lobo
If it makes you feel any better, I did include a smilie to help convey the joking nature of my accusation.
Yeah...it was his turn anyway.
...and since I'm new, and tomorrow is a Friday, it'll be my turn to be the plant
http://commonsensegamer.com
I'm in 'wait and see' mode on this one. I really like some of the ideas they have, but I'm in the usual GWJ mode of not being able to schedule time to play with other people. Even decent content for Duos would be OK as usually you can hook up with someone who isn't a complete retard, but the odds of doing that enough times to fill a group are slim. It seems like this game really demands a party of 5 to get the most out of it.
I never minded piracy. Anyone who minds about piracy is full of sh*t. Anyone who pirates your game wasn't going to buy it anyway! -Warren Spector
Sorry, I have a mistress and her name is Guild Wars. Interest in WoW tapered after less than a year (got two characters to around 35).
By what I'm reading (here and elsewhere), DDO is sufficiently similar to GW for it to safely slide by for me. And - the GW expansion pack is coming ion a month, which should keep me on my toes for quite a long while to come.
So sorry DDO, it's a no-no here too.
Fedaykin98 wrote:
Aperture Science wrote:
How do we know that all the WoW lovers here aren't plants? Sorta like Kudzu since they're taking over the boards
Bear wrote:
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There was an NPR piece on DDO last night about 6pm from an ex-D&Der. It always makes me smile when games make it to national news. Not that NPR is really "mainstream", but still, it makes me smile. Was a nice little 3-5 minute piece that actually piqued my interest in the game a little bit.
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
Let me say that ee_geek played with us a lot last weekend and was a great member of our party. He also gave my ranger a composite shortbow +1. Good guy.
I really think DDO is great, and as I've said elsewhere, has the opportunity to be the online version of PnP D&D. I'm not comparing it to any MMOs because I don't know MMOs, but if your idea of D&D is adventuring with the same general group of people on a regular basis and working together to finish quests, that's what DDO is. Like others have said, there are traps out there that will instantly kill your tanks/wizards/etc if you don't have a rogue. It really rewards working together. I told an amusing story in another thread about how our party split up in a dungeon where we thought the quest was basically over, and everyone ended up dying except me (because I hung back and used stealth, not because I'm 31i+3 or anything).
I'm not as in love with DDO as some others, but I will say that criticism from those who haven't tried the game seems out of place. Also, to answer this:
This statement is meaningless, if for no other reason than Turbine (the developers of DDO) have made MMOs before this (AC and AC2, and are now working on LOTR as well). Also, WoW is Blizzard's first MMO. You are saying that it would be impossible for a newcomer to MMOs (which Turbine, despite your comments, is not) to hit a home run, and at the same time saying that a newcomer to MMOs (Blizzard) hit the greatest home run of all time. Which is it?
I'm trying not to be a fanboy here (I'm actually not sure whether I want to devote the required time and money to DDO - it might eat my life), and I'd appreciate it if we could all abstain from such.
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- Legion, taking "keeping it in the family" to a whole new level.
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I also don't see DDO as an MMOG, really. Isn't the vast majority of all content instanced for your party? So, primarily, the MMO parts are more like meeting rooms to go play a Small Multiplayer Online RPG together? I could be completely misunderstanding what I'm reading/hearing, but it really seems like that.
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
You've got the right impression... it's just as MMO as Shot-Online (a free golf game... which is actually quite fun)
The city areas and taverns are common, but all the dungeons and quests are instanced.
Bear wrote:
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A 3d graphical "server browser", in effect?
Boiled down to give the least amount of credit to the devs and designers, sure, but possibly the best "server browser" ever?
"And my son, too, thinks everything is a launchpad, every bug a meal, and every sunny day a reason to take all your clothes off and roll around in the grass." - rabbit
ducki, that's exactly the analogy I used in another thread. The game world is the server browser, the instances are the individual servers.
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- Legion, taking "keeping it in the family" to a whole new level.
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