Earliest female cartoon role model

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Just for ZeroKFE (and cause it was off topic in the Gamer's Tome forum):

Can anyone think of a cartoon female who possessed confidence, was not a villain, and was a fitting role model for the social standards of the era in which it was created, from before Zelda (from the cartoon of the same name)?

Seems to me (in my short lifespan) that she was the earliest true female cartoon role model.

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Penny in Inspector Gadget was clearly smarter than her uncle and had a trained dog. She predates Zelda.

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Well, if you're going for fitting role model for the social standards of the era in which it was created, what's stopping Wilma Flintstone from being a suitable role model? She's sexy, she's patient, and she never gives her husband too much grief (not to mention she's one hell of a good cook and loves to clean).

I think if you're going for strong female roles, who aren't portrayed as evil or implicit lesbians, you'll be hard pressed. Although I never watched it, and might therefore have misjudged the show, what about Josie and friends from Josie and the Pussycats (debuted in 1970)? Not only were the main three characters female, but one was also African American; indeed, she was the first African American ever portrayed in American Saturday morning cartoons. They solved crimes, investigated mysteries, and always had enough time to play their gig at the end. Now that's multitasking.

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KaterinaLHC wrote:
I think if you're going for strong female roles, who aren't portrayed as evil or implicit lesbians,

Well, I guess there goes my suggestion of Velma from Scooby-Doo.

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But Penny was also perfectly happy to remain in a subservient role to the Inspector, letting him take all the credit for her hard work and risk of life and limb. And in general, she seemed to be about as smart as the dog.

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How about Smurfette? She was confident, had great hair, and had to trailblaze women's rights in a male dominated world (not to mention bearing sole responsibility for the future of Smurfkind).

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KaterinLHC wrote:

I think if you're going for strong female roles, who aren't portrayed as evil or implicit lesbians, you'll be hard pressed. Although I never watched it, and might therefore have misjudged the show, what about Josie and friends from Josie and the Pussycats (debuted in 1970)? Not only were the main three characters female, but one was also African American; indeed, she was the first African American ever portrayed in American Saturday morning cartoons.

Ah, I forgot about Josie and the Pussycats. Although I am not a big fan of Hanna-Barbera (how ever you spell that...) cartoons due to the fact that they generally lacked even a modicum of writing quality, let alone humor, it cannot be said that they weren't socially progressive. Also, they provide great source material for cartoon "remixers" such as the Williams Street production company (Aqua Teen, Harvey Birdman, Space Ghost, et all).

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I gotta go with Penny, too. She and the dog were the real stars of that show. Although the way she constantly deferred to her bumbling cyborg uncle got a little grating. Where's her thanks? Where's her pat on the back from that guy with the mustache? Of course, it might have all been just a clever ploy to keep Whats-his-name-cat-stroker from knowing his true enemy...

Yeah, she's pretty much the only one. Every other female in the shows I watched were only good for being kidnapped or threatened or otherwise impersonating Achilles's heel. Infuriatingly so, at times. I was only six, and I still wanted to smash in Smurfette's stupid, blonde, featherbrain head. I don't care if Gargamel did create you to be a dizzy bitch, show some personal growth!

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I disagree about Smurfette being a good female role model. Her entire (if left implied) purpose for existing was to give the Smurfs someway to procreate. I don't see how her being a ready vessel for Papasmurf seed is somehow progressive. Not to mention all she seemed to do was get captured.

In contrast, Josie and the Pussycats did things, went places, had jobs, solved crimes. They were proactive members of their own lives, rather than waiting passively for the next thing to happen to them (well, mostly; it seems they did their fair share of getting captured by villians, but it appears that they always managed to escape on their own). Their stories didn't revolve around men as much as other shows, although male roles were included in the show (Sebastian, for instance); the cartoon revolved around solving crimes and playing music. That's pretty darn cool. No wonder the show didn't last that long.

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I would say Belle, from Disney's Beauty and the Beast is a great one, but that came well after some of these other shows. Oh well

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I still think Wilma isn't a great role model. I mean, there's a woman who's completely happy to have no aspirations whatsoever. Her entire life revolves around being the perfect 1950s housewife. What kind of role model is that? Plus, Wilma teaches young ladies that it's okay if your husband is a sodden-drunk, lazy layabout...wait, I do like Wilma after all.

(Granted, I haven't seen The Flintstones in...I don't know, fifteen years.)

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KaterinLHC wrote:
I disagree about Smurfette being a good female role model. Her entire (if left implied) purpose for existing was to give the Smurfs someway to procreate. I don't see how her being a ready vessel for Papasmurf seed is somehow progressive. Not to mention all she seemed to do was get captured.

I thought Smurfette was created by Gargamel (sp?) to spy on the other Smurfs?

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lunabean wrote:
KaterinLHC wrote:
I disagree about Smurfette being a good female role model. Her entire (if left implied) purpose for existing was to give the Smurfs someway to procreate. I don't see how her being a ready vessel for Papasmurf seed is somehow progressive. Not to mention all she seemed to do was get captured.

I thought Smurfette was created by Gargamel (sp?) to spy on the other Smurfs?

True, but, you know, excuses. I meant "purpose for existing" as purpose bestowed by the cartoonists, not by Gargamel. Without her, it would just be a bunch of guys in Smurfville, a la Brokeback Mountain, right? Her existence somewhat negates that possibility.

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Princess from G-Force kicked as much ass as anyone on that team.
Plus her motorcycle seemed a little more practical than a racecar or a submarine.

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Of course, it might have all been just a clever ploy to keep Whats-his-name-cat-stroker from knowing his true enemy...

That was always my thought.

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Are comic book characters allowed? If so, my vote is for Wonder Woman.

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Um, what about Lisa Hayes from Robotech?

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Betty Boop let women of the 30's know that you can still be happy if you're horribly disfigured. I don't know if she really counts as a good role model because I don't believe I've ever seen a Betty Boop cartoon.

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Razorgrin wrote:
I still think Wilma isn't a great role model. I mean, there's a woman who's completely happy to have no aspirations whatsoever. Her entire life revolves around being the perfect 1950s housewife. What kind of role model is that? Plus, Wilma teaches young ladies that it's okay if your husband is a sodden-drunk, lazy layabout...wait, I do like Wilma after all.

(Granted, I haven't seen The Flintstones in...I don't know, fifteen years.)

Which brings up the question as to whether it's a bad thing to focus on being a good homemaker. Lois Griffin might have words for you aobut that.

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Princess from G-Force kicked as much ass as anyone on that team.
Plus her motorcycle seemed a little more practical than a racecar or a submarine.

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VicD714 wrote:
Are comic book characters allowed? If so, my vote is for Wonder Woman.

What, the Woman who got a job as a secretary and who lost her powers if she got tied up?

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DrunkenSleipnir wrote:
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Are comic book characters allowed? If so, my vote is for Wonder Woman.

What, the Woman who got a job as a secretary and who lost her powers if she got tied up?

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VicD714 wrote:
Are comic book characters allowed? If so, my vote is for Wonder Woman.

The original scope of the discussion from the other thread was cartoons only, and implicitly American cartoons. However, feel free to expand the discussion as you see fit; I don't mind.

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Prederick wrote:
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I still think Wilma isn't a great role model. I mean, there's a woman who's completely happy to have no aspirations whatsoever. Her entire life revolves around being the perfect 1950s housewife. What kind of role model is that? Plus, Wilma teaches young ladies that it's okay if your husband is a sodden-drunk, lazy layabout...wait, I do like Wilma after all.

(Granted, I haven't seen The Flintstones in...I don't know, fifteen years.)

Which brings up the question as to whether it's a bad thing to focus on being a good homemaker. Lois Griffin might have words for you aobut that.

Although I agree with Pred that there's nothing wrong with being a damn good homemaker, especially considering the social standards for women a la early 1960's, I don't think Wilma's a particularly great role model either. She's completely defined in the TV show by her role as foil to her alcoholic, lazy layabout of a husband--that is, her identity is entirely dependent upon her man's. Plus, she wears pearls and high heels to cook dinner.

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Princess Ariel from Thundarr the Barbarian:

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