Horde: ZG
Monday, January 9th, 2006 - 6:11pm
I've never been, so this is more of an aspiration than a plan...
I think we have enough 60s to field a solid 20-person guild group.
The loot that drops in ZG would make us stronger overall, which in turn would make other end-game runs more feasible.
It would, however, require some dedication to get it set up and some commitment to see it through. There's every indication that it's a technical instance (like MC), where the fights have to play out just so--as opposed to UBRS where you more-or-less succeed if sufficient force is brought to bear.
Is there any interest in establishing a regular, 20-person ZG run?
Blackhand Horde:
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I'm up for it...
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ZG has strats, and they are not diffclt at all. I used to run it a bit with the old guild.
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I'm up for it, it just depends on when it is scheduled.
Im up for a regular night...
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I would like to see this happen also. I think many of the 60's in the guild are very strong and we have a good chance at being succesful in ZG. If there was a set night/day to do ZG that would work for the majority of 60's,that would be great. Finding that time might be interesting though.
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I don't think I have ever seen 20 lvl 60 toons on at once. But, we could come very close with a set schedule. Maybe even add a few from BOV to fill us out? Here the thing about ZG. It IS HARDER than MC! I would love to go there but here are a few things;
1. It is not a casual instance! To win the boss fights everyone has to work as a team!
- even one person not working as a team will wipe the party.
2. Everyone needs to be on voice chat.
- to work together we NEED to TALK!
3. We will wipe 100's of times until we actually get very far.
- be perpaired for very slow advancement.
4. If we are serious about ZG we should run it twice a week or more.
5. After completeing ZG, MC will be a cakewalk.
The rewards for running ZG are worth it. It is a raid instance. Completely different style that strat/UBRS. We are more than geared for it, we just need to commit to running it or not. A half hearted attempt won't work. Remember when 7 people were going to loot run the trash mobs? Heard it was not a success. I know I have downed the last boss in UBRS with only seven peeps. That is the gap between ZG and UBRS. It is all or nothing.
I am willing to run Mon, Wed, and Fri Nights from 7pm til 11pm server time.
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Bumpie can commit to two nights a week. I'd like to be able to get that much of the guild together.
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And I agree with Nekar.
We need to plan alot for it.
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Just to clarify some things you touched on Nekar
1. ZG is definately a team oriented instance. It's not QUITE as bad as MC (IMO) but it certainly is #2 for a reason. Getting people from BOV is not a bad idea as it will help fulfill the 20 man need (especially for certain classes).
2. Not really. I ran ZG once with voice and 10 times+ without it. Stopping the chatty..people from typing too much and causing people to miss important info is a concern (this also applies to MC) but voice is not mandatory.
3. Yeah, especially on the way to one boss, but the first 3 bosses are really not that bad if you have a decent group. Still, practice is good and you can fulfill rep and quest objectives (some of them) without having to touch a boss so that's good.
4. Maybe, but you may have a hard time getting people to commit to that. It's easier to take it semi-casual at first.
Unfortunately, if I slash my wrist with my lightsaber it cauterizes instantly. - PurEvil on emo Star Wars plots.
How about an initial run, with right of first refusal to guild 60s, for next Wednesday 1/18/06 at 8pm Central?
Who would be up for that?
Blackhand Horde:
The Soul(TM) Group: Soulfeeder, Soulagent, Soulhealer, Soulproxy, Soulist, Souldemon, Soulgrok
I will be there.
I should be able to make it.
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I am in.
"Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, 'Where have I gone wrong?' Then a voice says to me, 'This is going to take more than one night.' "
Charlie Brown.
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Set night sounds great.. My schedule isnt really ever set in stone so any night is doable but on a week to week basis I may simply not be able to make it.
But we would need a specific night every week and then I can strive to adjust my schedule around it...basically just like our Sat. MC runs..
Which given that everyone has different schedules and lives makes 100% sense to have BOV there also.
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That date and time works well for me. There are also no events scheduled for BOV on that date yet: http://www.bovguild.com/phpnuke/html/modules.php?name=Kalender
Perhaps teh Loki can post it on their site? I'm sure we'll need to pull in some non-guildies to get enough people.
I know myself and other folks have expressed interest in having more scheduled raids, which led me to this mod: http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2718. Looks pretty cool, and that way everyone knows what's scheduled when so we can get more organized. I'm going to try it out tonight. It lets people RSVP and all kinds of handy stuff.
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I agree pretty much with Ghastly. Had three ZG runs so far, voice chat is not required, just makes it easier (I've never used it). I would say wiping 100s of times is exaggeration, especially if some of you already have some MC loot (we don't). I would expect to wipe 1-5 times on each new boss before you get the hang of it. Probably have some deaths on your first troll or your first bat pack too. Have fun guys!
I'd like to see the return of Wednesday night guild raids. ZG is tough as hell, though, and I agree with Nekar and Ghastly's points above.
As an FYI, I return to work starting this Friday with a longer commute. That means that I will always be a late arrival for weekday gaming raids and do not expect to be online before 9 or 10 pm server time weekdays.
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Note- I have no issues with BOV. I am very happy to be able to do MC and we wouldn't be able to attempt it without them.
Having said that, I would like ZG to be primarily made up of GWJ guildies, with every opportunity to have a slot in the raid be filled by GWJ first before looking for people from BOV. This even includes leaving space for people that say they are gonna be there but may not be on time. This would not bother me in the slightest if BOV did the same thing. Guilds should be able to field a 20 man raid on their own. I don't know if everyone would agree with this or not. Just my humble opinion.
The reason I bring up leaving spaces for individuals who say they are gonna be there is I run into problems around 8:00. My son sleeps in a crib close to where I have a computer. He is usually in bed by 8. There are times however when it takes up to a half hour for him to finally go to sleep and that won't happen if I am in the room with him. It would be very upsetting for me to make plans to go to ZG, get on a few minutes late, and have my spot taken by a BOV member. Maybe there can be a time limit, say 1 hour, for those who reserve a spot on the board. If they don't show within that time we can then go search for members from BOV.
Another thing I would like to bring up. Voice Comms. Many in the guild are running skype. This is fine for the 5 man instances. It becomes akward when we do raids. It is painfully obvious that there different conversations happening besides the one in raid chat. I think everyone should agree on a standard for raids. I think at one point Nekar had rented a server for TS or Vent. It really doesn't matter to me what we choose. You don't need a mic, you can DL the software for free and listen in on the conversations taking place. Heck, we could even make it so only certain people have talking privilages. People can still have private conversations with skype at the same time. There are many in the guild who could help others through the process of setting this up.
Having seen approx 10-13 GWJ Horde at each MC run I've been to so far on a weekend it seems getting 20 on a weeknight is pretty much a pipe dream at this point.
I know we're easily over 25 active Level 60's but getting them all on a given night seems rare.
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To add/clarify to my comments above....
I'd like Wednesday to be guild "raid night" not exclusively guild "ZG" night. There are a lot of us that still need gear from the smaller end-game instances.
For instance, running UBRS on a regular basis would be a good thing.
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Gizmo seemed workable for groups larger than Skype could handle, with better sound quality than TS or Vent.
Blackhand Horde:
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I think there were 13 in MC last Sat. And there were another 3 that were looking to get in but couldn't, Hubb, Gretz and myself. Nekar is usually in on those runs too but he had other obligations. That is 16. Yep, a little short. I don't mind filling, as a last resort, those remaining spots with members from another guild. They should not get preference though. I also think some in the guild may be put off by the thought of going to MC for various reasons.
To have a set date for ZG that will be filled primarily with GWJ members would be fun and draw much more interest (IMO). I am not saying we will definately have 20 ready to go. But every opportunity should be given to those that show interest.
Note- One (of many) reason I am pushing this is that i had shown interest on the boards about going to MC, changed plans to try and get home on time, got in WOW at about 7:05 (damn queue) and the raid was full. I was very dissapointed. I am hoping not to have to worry about that happening with a guild ZG run. If I say on the boards that i will be going, hopefully a space will be there waiting for me.
I was also a few minutes late last Saturday and missed out, so that puts us near 17 who tried to make MC just last Saturday.
And, if we can make a regular raid night, then that would make it a lot easier for me to participate. Count Glyson in as interested.
I feel ya! Though my being late was my own fault. I had patched the laptop but not this computer, so despite sitting down at 6:30, and having already gotten Glyson to the entrance to MC, I still didn't manage to actually be in-game until ten after seven.
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Oh, oh, oh....and Soul wasn't at MC! And he's the one who brought this up!
That makes 18!
Hell, if were desperate i can bring Grosh Inc. ; ) (19!)
RL intruded suddenly and unexpectedly, as it undoubtedly will from time to time.
But 18 for MC would convert into a solid ZG attempt. And it we don't have enough, we could roll it over to UBRS with about 12. Or with only 10, we could make quick work of all of Strath.
Blackhand Horde:
The Soul(TM) Group: Soulfeeder, Soulagent, Soulhealer, Soulproxy, Soulist, Souldemon, Soulgrok
Various thoughts:
1. It would be good to have a dedicated 20 person group ready to roll because then we could do the new An'Qiraj (sp) 20-person instance too.
2. I think MC being filled up caught everyone by surprise and no one was prepared for it. It could be because BOV has grown lately, and it could be because after 2 weeks off people were pumped up for it, both of which are another way of saying it might not be filled up going forward.
3. If it does stay filled up, then we need to address that issue. One way to do it would be a unified signup sheet, probably on the BOV boards because that's where most of the group comes from. Another way would be to set aside a certain number of slots for GWJ (say 15) that we get to fill. Or we could go back to two nights a week in MC, which we are going to have to do fairly soon anyway in order to take advantage of the saved progress feature.
4. I really think a weekly raid should focus on ZG. Doing ZG takes that kind of commitment anyway, but also I think quite a few of us are pretty bored with Strat, Scholo, and UBRS. Raiding these instances has become trivial in terms of challenge, and for at least half of the 60s there's nothing left in them that drops regularly that we actually want save maybe one or two items. I only go there for money or companionship at this point. The loot that is available in ZG is far superior to the stuff in Strat, Scholo, and UBRS, and would allow people to effectively leapfrog a whole level of gear (look at all the people in high-end guilds who have amazing gear and still suck).
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That start time is too early for me, good luck guys.
I, too, was late for the MC raid (granted, by an hour or two) so you can add one more to that count. I would like to get involved in some ZG raids but I don't really want to lose all the casualness that has made GWJ Horde nights so fun. I understand ZG requires a commitment, but some of this is starting to sound like more work than play.
Still, I'll be there often if we do a Wed night thing.
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