Xbox 360 - DVD upscaling?
How does the image look when playing a DVD movie on the X360 to an HDTV?
What led me to think about this... I was playing Revenge of the Sith on my dvd player the other day and the scrolling text at the beginning of the Star Wars movies was shimmering all over the place. So I stuck the disc into my powerbook and connected it to the DVI port on the TV, and the shimmering was totally gone and the image in general just kicked all kinds of ass.
I'm wondering if the DVD player on the X360 supports de-interlacing and upscaling and all that jazz. If you aren't exactly sure what I'm talking about you can go here for a very basic explanation.
Anyone try this out yet? You can probably see the difference very quickly by playing the intro for any Star Wars movie on your 360 and your DVD player.
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It's a progressive scan 480p player, but it won't upscale to 720p or anything like that. DVDs look okay to me.
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The 360 DVD player. It's just not good.
Wow. That's quite the article.
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I watched a couple of DVD's on it and I agree with the article. It upscales them to 480p, but the actual image quality is pretty shoddy and it handles blacklevels worse then any DVD player I've ever used.
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first of all.. DVD's are 480P there is no upscaling.
Second of all.. you can't expect as much for a $299 multipurpose box than you would a stand alone DVD player. For the most part I would suspect those using the Xbox 360 as their primary means of watching DVD's are going to be just fine with the quality.
Case in point the vast amount of $50-$100 DVD Players that are sold throughout the country.
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I would think that its the Xbox's job to output the DVD data at its original resolution (720x480 in most cases), and its the TV's job to upscale it to the TV's highest resolution.
Maybe whats happening in this case is that Xbox is doing its own crappy upscaling and giving the TV the crappy picture at TV's highest resolution.
If its possible, I would try to limit the Xbox 360's output resolution to 480p (if it was set higher than that for the OP) and see if the output becomes prettier. Theoretically this should shift the task of upscaling from the system to the TV itself.
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The 360 will only ever output a maximum of a 480p signal for DVD playback.
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Hakuna Matata. All DVD players are just place holders until the HD DVD players come out. The 360 looks good enough for me.
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Oh I see. I've read some really interesting stuff on that site in the past so I was pretty shocked by the uselessness of this one. My bad.
I've only watched one movie using the 360 and it looked just as good as with my fancy Denon player as far as I can tell. No, I don't have a crappy TV sir, I have a sexy HD Panasonic projector. Oh well, I guess I'll keep that Denon player handy.
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While I agree that there is no upscaling. Dvd's are in 480i natively and must be de-interlaced, hence the need for progressive dvd players.
Or the PS3
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I think the difference is that DVD players we're not designed and originally made to be place holders unlike EDTV.
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No...they dont neccesarily NEED to be de-interlaced at all.. in fact my first DVD player and TV didnt support Progressive scanning and 3:2 pulldown...and yet I could watch said DVD's just fine.
Then I got a DVD that did just progressive scan and eventually got one that also did 3:2 Pulldown... its an older Denon that IMO still produces the finest DVD picture of all my fancier upscanning DVD players.
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My point was the actual video data is stored interlaced in 480i and to get to 480p they must be de-interlaced. This can be done by either a progressive player or by the television as most hd sets will do. I think i misread your original post I thought you were insinuating the original dvd video was stored as a progressive source which I think we can agree is not the case.
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I thought that most DVD video is stored as progressive source. Some of the really crappy transfers are interlaced, i.e. Xena Warrior Princess DVD set (don't ask how I know).
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Correct.. I should have been more clear in my original post.
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If you have VGA - use it.
During the so-called "Spring Dashboard Update" Microsoft enabled DVD upscaling over the VGA connection, so if you're using VGA you'll see movies in whatever resolution you've set in the dashboard. However, this is only over VGA. Also, with the Fall Dashboard Update, standard DVD movies will be upscaled to 1080p on displays that support it, again only over the VGA connection.
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http://www.xbox.com/en-US/search.aspx?keyword=vga&x=0&y=0
Good article on this stuff:
http://www.ctoforaday.com/articles/000055.html
It also upscales over HDMI, not just VGA.
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Thanks for that, cwclifford. That was my understanding as well. And my curse, since my TV doesn't have VGA ins, nor does my 360 have the HDMI output. For the price of the 360 DVD player + a VGA-->HDMI converter, I can buy a new, upscaling HD DVD player with HDMI...
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I would add that some 1080p TVs don't support 1080p through VGA, or even the correct HDTV resolutions if your PC can output them. Sony's KDL-46v2500, for example, supports 1400x1050 at most and not 1280x720 exactly, instead 1280x768.
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Luckily - and the reason I chanced across this thread - my TV (Samsung LNT4061F) supports the Xbox 360 via VGA at 1080p! I recently delved into the LCD world and had the XBOX 360 beforehand which helped sell my wife on the upgrade.
Of course, those with the Elite model are set with the HDMI output.
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Even with the HDMI output on my Elite, upscaling to 720p, I don't think the DVDs look that great -- not as good as my HTPC running MythTV, anyway. It wasn't bad by any means, but if you're using your 360 now through component and you're think you're missing quality you might otherwise get with upscaling through VGA/HDMI, I wouldn't worry too much about it.
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