Sweet Josephine: Any prog rock fans here?
Okay, so I'm listening to my copy of In Keeping Secrets of Silent Earth for what must be the four thousandth time, and I still have no idea what the hell Coheed and Cambria are singing about. I like the music, and I sort of know its something about a space opera and a crazy family killing each other, but, like, duh? Where does the dog come in?
So I'm mainly wondering if anyone help me decipher this crazy-ass music... but I'm curious: how many prog rock fans are there out there? Am I, as I suspect, the only one? Does Dream Theater take you to a warm and fluffy place too? Any recommendations of bands to try out? Or have I just revealed to everyone the horrific depths to which my dorkiness extends?
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I like Coheed quite a bit, and since everyone else always speaks their names in the same breath, I like The Mars Volta as well.
That's where my Prog rock cred starts and stops, unfortunately. Not that The Mars Volta is very prog rock or anything, but it has its moments.
As far as what the HELL is going on, I found this article, which seems pretty cool... I'm just reading it now.
Of course, really knowing what's going on isn't going to change how I feel about the music that much... I'll still be creeped out by the whole Velourium Camper section, regardless of the fact that I know it's a ship piloted by an intergalactic bounty hunter who likes to do bad things.
And you could tell me "A Favor House Atlantic" was about a 100-man gay orgy, and I would still think it's a GREAT song.
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A Favor House Atlantic is absolutely fantastic. I have never once, in all my four thousand+ listenings, gotten sick of that song. Time Consumer is equally fabulous, in my mind.
Speaking of AFHA, funny story: my old roommate and I used to go to the gym and I would go on the treadmill, often for long stretches at a time. She would sneak up behind me and yell, "RUN, QUICK! They're behind you!" and I'd laugh so hard I'd sometimes fall off. She'd then smile and say "Didn't think you'd ever make it this far in once piece." Oh, the days. I think I'm going to go give her a call.
I'll check out this Mars Volta you've mentioned. I can't just listen to Dream Theater, Rush, and C&C and call myself a prog rock geek, after all.
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My prog rock credentials run far and deep. I went through a "prog" phase a few years ago like few people do.
I went from Pink Floyd and Rush to Dream Theater, ELP, King Crimson, PFM, Yes, The Flower Kings, Gentle Giant, Anglagard, Magma, lots of Krautrock bands, After Crying, Banco del Mutuo Soccorso, Le Orme, Kenso, Metamorfosi, on down to the REAL obscure (Potemkine! Rahmann! Sepsis!)
You're not a prog-rock dork until you've listened to "classics" that exist on CD in about a 500 copy print like Dün or Eskaton's "4 Visions".
Or vinyl transfers to CDR that don't exist in true CD prints at all.
I went deeeeep into the genre until the returns on obscurities began to diminish - some artists belong in obscurity.
For some prog-rock info, these sites are a must:
Gnosis
Ground & Sky
The Giant Progweed
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I can top you all: I play in a prog metal band! In 1996 we sounded almost exactly like Dream Theater!
We've even got a pretentious arty name: Chiaroscuro! We have a website but it's unfortunately inaccessible at the moment because our domain name expired and our lazy ass guitarist is in charge of maintaining that stuff.
Never checked out Coheed and Cambria, but I've heard good things about them. The Mars Volta is definitely worth checking out. Deloused in the Comatorium is a masterpiece, at times quite reminiscent of a harder-edged 70's Yes. I haven't heard much of the latest release...I guess it's a little less focused. But hey, it's prog! That's the point, right?
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There are lots of flavors of prog rock. I prefer flavors that include a good dose of metal. I listen regularly to bands such as Dream Theater, Savatage, Queensryche, Fates Warning and Shadow Gallery. Unfortunately, I can't help you with your first question.
Prog metal is good too.
Other than Shadow Gallery, I like all those bands you listed.
I got to see Maudlin of the Well play at ProgWest before both the band and that festival broke up. It drove some of the fat 50-year-old proggers with stained Starcastle shirts out of the auditorium, but those with an inclination for that stuff were floored.
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De-loused IS a great album. If anything, Frances the Mute seems to have better MOMENTS, but not be better overall. There are sections that literally sound like ambient noise for minutes at a time... no words, no soft guitars, just quietness... but, they're followed by sections of balls to the wall rock, so I forgive them.
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Holy crap. That is so NOT what I thought was going on. But it clears up alot of confusion; thanks a bunch for the article. Its nice to know that I wasted two years trying to figure this all out, and I was completely and utterly incorrect.
So many good recommendations - thanks everyone! Looks like we all agree on Dream Theater kicking seven different flavors of ass... I'm sure everyone's already heard of the side project, Liquid Tension Experiment?
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Hmm, now I'm going to have listen to some album about the Tri-Mage.
Does a Heroin Addicted-Assassin have an affair with a nun who is also having an affair with a priest and then the HAA has to kill the nun but instead kills the priest happen? That would be pretty sweet.
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Have you checked out Kayo Dot? As far as I know it's the same band with a different name. They put out an album called Choirs of the Eye on John Zorn's Tzadik label. It's pretty mind-blowing stuff, as you might expect from those guys.
I've recently been digging both of the studio albums from Sleepytime Gorilla Museum. Sort of Bungle-esque in places, but generally quite brilliant.
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Thanks for the link. Call me oblivious but I never realized there was such a story going on in those two albums. I have been listening to Coheed and Cambria for about a year now and have really enjoyed their music. A Favor House Atlantic was what got me listening to them. Thing is I tend to have my music set to random so I never just listened to the albums straight through. Going to have to now, won't I?
As for being progressive rock fan, I would guess that I am. I have and listen to albums by most of the bands listed so far. I just tend to have an issue defining music in genres. It is always hard for me to keep up when people are talking about certain types of music. If some one asked me "Do you like [enter genre here] music?" I just have to list bands I like and follow up with "Do any of those fit?" You see, I have a metric sh*t ton of music (about 80 gigs right now, all CDs I own and have encoded) and I just have a giant play list on my Linux box playing random songs 24/7 that I control from my laptop. It is not unusual for me to hear a set of songs that go something like this; Megadeath, Enya, Decemberists, Tribe of Circle, Azumanga Daioh, Dead can Dance, Katamari Damacy, Smashing Pumpkins... you get the point. So since I like the bands listed in this progressive rock thread I would have to say that I too am a progressive rock fan. Just don't ask me to suggest some bands because I really won't be able to say if they are progressive or not.
My experience with Prog Rock pretty much starts and ends with Tool, oddly enough my favorite band. I like Rush and have one of their Retrospectives, but I'm not crazy about them. Except their drummer, that guy is just f'ing sick. I'd add Incubus to that list, just because of how experimental they used to be and because of how the verses of Make Yourself are a line of 7/8 and then a line of 8/8. What a pain in the butt.
I've seen Dream Theater with Joe Satriani in NJ, that was a wicked show. They're a bit too much like really really well done Hair Metal in style for me, but still quite awesome in talent. And they do some sick covers of great classic rock tunes, too.
I don't know Mars Volta, but there's a really funny 'Your Band Sucks' article about them at Something Awful.
Mmmmmm....Tool.
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I tend to veer more to the doom side of things; Sleep, Pelican, ISIS, etc.....but if somebody can bring up Maudlin, I can bring them up, right? =)
Coheed, Mars Volta......really like 'em. Saw Mars at All Tomorrow's Parties Pacific in 2003, and they really brought it.
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I should have mentioned this earlier, so that nobody here makes me cry: Rush is my favorite band ever. Ever. I firmly believe they can cure cancer through the power of the bass guitar alone. Rush has such a special significance to me... they orchestrated the soundtracks of my adolescence. They were my band. Perhaps I'm not explaining properly: when the Messiah comes, their chariot shall be blasting "Dreamline", yea verily, and little Canadian flags will rain from the skies like manna.
So please, if you feel like hating on Rush (not saying you were, Mix - this is just a general blanket statement), if you feel like hating on Rush, do it else where because if you do, I will weep. And you will be a very, very bad person for making me cry.
Now that that's done with:
Is incubus prog rock? I didn't know - I haven't heard much of their stuff. Oh, you all have made me feel legitimate in my prog rock geekiness. Also, I revel in the strangeness of these names. Tri-Mage? Sleepytime Gorilla Museum? I want to be in a prog rock band just so I can make up a fun name too.
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Not really other than they like odd time signatures and shy away from poppy formats at times. Ditto for Tool, really. Except they frequently use odd time signatures and are never poppy. I firmly believe that Tool has got one of the greatest messages that can be told, 'Learn to think for yourself, jackass.' And they're really angry about it.
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I think Tool is widely considered to be the originator of the "new" prog. Much of their approach reminds me of a Rush for the Korn generation--virtuosic, experimental, flamboyantly weird. Aenima is easily one of the best rock albums of the last 10 years.
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Tool is awesome. C&C are pretty good too, although entirely different in my mind.
I don't think I have much other than the two I just mentioned that would qualify as Prog-Rock, though I do have a Dream Theater disc in my collection somewhere.
I lose track of what cd's are where these days. The collection just broke 700 discs or something and it's starting to get irritating. One of these days I'm going to go through and give away/sell all the old junk I don't listen to anymore.
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Tool's good, but I never knew they were considered prog rock. They don't seem to be telling sweeping science fiction space operas or convoluted murder mysteries in their songs, so you can understand my confusion
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And Podunk, I'm glad you approve. Rush clearly consists of titans among men.
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It's mostly about the odd time signatures and off beat song topics. Granted, they're not science fiction operas, but pretty close sometimes. forty-six and 2 is about the next stage of human evolution. Hooker With a Penis makes fun of their own fan base. 2 songs are distinctly about anal sex and several others allude to it. Eleven is possibly about child abuse, but it's hard to tell. A lot of songs are about hating brain washed morons in general and religious zealots in particular. All of Lateralus is about screwed up relationships, but it's still so extraordinarily different than how anyone else does it. And that doesn't even include A Perfect Circle's utter weirdness in song topics. I <3 Maynard. I totally have a mancrush on him.
Sorry to turn this into the 'Tool is AWESOME!!!111shift+1' thread, but they are my favorite band, afterall
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I never really knew what qualified as prog rock, and still don't, but if Tool, Dream Theater and Rush count then it sounds good to me. Three bands I love. Although they do occasionally leave me looking back and forth between my fingers and the bass/guitar/drumsticks across the room thinking "I didn't just hear that...well maybe if I grow a third hand..."
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I don't try to pigeonhole myself as a fan of this genre or that genre; I just listen to the bands I like. And topping the list you'll find Yes, Pink Floyd, Zeppelin, and Rush. If you tell me that (some, most, or all of) these are progressive rock, then I guess I am a fan.
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Thats more or less how I am. I tend to get into prog rock grooves, too. I'll listen to Rush all over the place, then get some Dream Theater in, etc. Now, in my own mind, prog rock has a subcatagory called "Space ship rock" which consists of a bad which also covers the front of their albums with crazy space ships. Course, that's just me
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Does Journey count? Whoa.
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Yep. I have to say, I didn't care for the album nearly as much as I liked the 2 Maudlin LPs + EP.
Essentially, it is. I'm interested in hearing their next album, hoping I like it more.
I've only given serious listening to Grand Opening and Closing. Very good. I was listening to a couple MP3 cuts from their website before they even released the CD. Sleep is, it turns out, wrong.
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Journey is not prog rock; they are 'space ship rock'. Often there is cross over between the two, but Journey is not one of those bands. Yes, on the other hand, is.
So apparently C&C has a new album coming out in August or September? Sweet!
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Yeah dude. Part 4. One of these days, I'm sure they'll release Part 1 and answer some of the questions... or not.
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Looks like the 4th episode will be 2 parts, making it EVEN MORE confusing. The preview song "Welcome Home" sounds very cool - a little bit more metal than normal, at least at the beginning.
How's that for a prog album title, though?
Good Apollo I'm Burning Star IV Volume I: From Fear Through The Eyes Of Madness
"Good Apollo" it is.
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Holy Crap! Yayyyyyyy! That is one absolutely bitchin' song. Oh I am so excited now! Squeee! **hops up and down over and over and over and over...**
Oh Warlock, you have made my day. Sly Cooper 3 and C&C4 in the same week.... Yay!
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