This is a great Star Wars film – the best of the prequels without question. In many fans minds this will fall under Empire and A New Hope, and I think that is a fair analysis.
Heh - talk about damning with faint praise... Sounds like it may be the first of the prequels to be worth buying a ticket, though, from the other reviews. Thanks for the link, Puck!
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Why am I apparently the only person on the planet who did not hate Return of the Jedi? I thought it was pretty decent (barring the Ewoks, who were not nearly as annoying as Jar Jar).
Why am I apparently the only person on the planet who did not hate Return of the Jedi?
I like it too! I don''t want to wade too deep into the issue here (for fear of pushing this thread into P&C ), but suffice it to say that I enjoyed all of the Star Wars movies, if only because they gave me more Star Wars.
What must be said though, is that I don''t evaluate them in the same way as I do other movies. That''s certainly an indication of heavy bias, but that''s what being a fan is all about, afterall.
So, I''m quite looking forward to Episode 3, regardless of what the reviews say.
Why am I apparently the only person on the planet who did not hate Return of the Jedi? I thought it was pretty decent (barring the Ewoks, who were not nearly as annoying as Jar Jar).
You aren''t the only one. RotJ is a very strong movie. If Lucas had set it on a wookie planet instead of an ewok planet, I think it would have a much better reputation. The first half of Jedi (badass black-clad Luke, slave-girl Leia, rancor fight, saber fight on the hovercraft over the saarlak pit) is my favorite part of the whole original trilogy. The ending of RotJ, with the crosscutting among three different battles, is a masterpiece of film editing and storytelling.
I know this is heretical thinking amongst most Star Wars faithful, but I like RotJ more than Empire. It provides a sense of closure and completeness that was utterly lacking in Empire.
Why am I apparently the only person on the planet who did not hate Return of the Jedi? I thought it was pretty decent (barring the Ewoks, who were not nearly as annoying as Jar Jar).
I thought the acting in Jedi was some of the worst of the ENTIRE Star Wars franchise. The saving grace for me for the movie was the final Luke-Vader fight, but most of the movie just was terrible to me.
- Harrison Ford looking straight at Lando when he was supposedly still blind.
- Chewbacca making tarzan noises
- The Jabba band
- Ewoks
- The stupid rankor handler crying
- The super star destroyer crashing into the death star (I still can not believe they did not redo that with the special effects updates)
- R2D2 gets shot and blows up when trying to break back into the shield generator, and he''s hollow!
- Ewoks taking down storm troopers with pebbles
These are just a few of the parts that still urk me when I watch it. Especially when compared to Empire Strikes Back. There was so much potential that was just wasted.
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suffice it to say that I enjoyed all of the Star Wars movies, if only because they gave me more Star Wars.
Couldn''t have put it better myself. Yeah it kind of sucks to think about what the prequels and RotJ could have been, but I just like to take them as they are as part of the Star Wars universe, and then I wish for more. RotJ was always one of my favorites, because thinking back on it, it was probably the first one I really remember seeing.
Anyhow, I''m totally looking forward to the release of Ep. III, [sarcasm] even though my ""friend"" Reaper had to bail on me to go see it, instead to go to some silly ""E3"" thing or whatever."" [/sarcasm]
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I actually like RotJ the best out of all the SW movies.
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A friend of mine talked me into seeing Episode III on midnight of release day. We already have tickets. I feel so dirty. He suckered me in with, ""Do you really want to say for the rest of your life that you never saw a Star Wars film at a midnight release showing?"" I couldn''t resist.
As for ROTJ, I very much enjoy it, although I do recognize many respects in which it failed to live up to the first two films. However, I feel that these weaknesses are largely compensated for by some pretty outstanding stuff, such as the battle of the fleets, the Luke/Vader/Emperor showdown, the oppressive and weighty psychological aspects, etc. I am also keenly aware of the fact that, although I find Ewoks annoying now, as a child I was delighted by the Ewoks and their primitive combat techniques. So even some of the Ewok scenes still bring a big smile to my face.
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I find snow to be boring, so I wasn''t overly enthralled by Empire''s opening battle. RotJ, or maybe A New Hope are my favs of the SW movies.
Growing up in a city in which is NEVER snows, I found the first part of Empire be enthralling. Living in upstate New York for the last five years though...I see where you''re coming from
As for RotJ, I really enjoyed it myself. I didn''t realize there was a general negative sentiment. Any cheese factor in that film is outweighed a thousand times by the cheese in A New Hope, methinks.
I find snow to be boring, so I wasn''t overly enthralled by Empire''s opening battle. RotJ, or maybe A New Hope are my favs of the SW movies.
Growing up in a city in which is NEVER snows, I found the first part of Empire be entralling. Living in upstate New York for the last five years though...I see where you''re coming from
As for RotJ, I really enjoyed it myself. I didn''t realize there was a general negative sentiment. Any cheese factor in that film is outweighed a thousand times by the cheese in A New Hope, methinks.
ANH was cheesier than ROTJ, but not as childish. It''s the insipid childishness and uninspired slapstick humor that turns off so many people, I think. Interestingly, I never detected any widespread abhorrence of ROTJ, in either myself or others, until after Episode One was released in 1999. When Episode One stomped all over us with its Boots of Immaturity +5, many people looked back on ROTJ with fresh eyes and realized, ""Oh God! The signs were there all along!"" That''s my pet theory, anyway.
The market has much to answer for as to why gaming is NOT an art. -- illum
ANH was cheesier than ROTJ, but not as childish. It''s the insipid childishness and uninspired slapstick humor that turns off so many people, I think. Interestingly, I never detected any widespread abhorrence of ROTJ, in either myself or others, until after Episode One was released in 1999. When Episode One stomped all over us with its Boots of Immaturity +5, many people looked back on ROTJ with fresh eyes and realized, ""Oh God! The signs were there all along!"" That''s my pet theory, anyway.
I have great difficulty in properly gauging that film, as I was so young when I first saw it. I fully agree that it was filled with inane Ewok antics, but when you''re seven or so, it seems quite good
And of course, the almighty glasses of nosalgia always prevent me from making a fair and unbiased judgement when watching it now.
I can buy your Episode 1 theory - certainly, it demolished the pedestal Lucas was standing on beforehand, in many a fan''s mind. Still, I try to not let the prequels distort my views of the first three films, as it hardly seems fair to hold the man accountable for his later insanity.
The ending of RotJ, with the crosscutting among three different battles, is a masterpiece of film editing and storytelling.
Agreed. The end scene of RotJ with the battle between Luke/Vadar/Emperor imposed against the massive space battle is flat out classic. One of the most riveting movie scenes ever. If not for those damned Ewoks RotJ would be recoginized as the best of the bunch.
""Take your Jedi weapon! Use it. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!""
I have mixed feelings about the cutesy factor in the Star Wars movies. Sure, the ewoks and JarJar are annoying to adults, but now that I have a 2.4 year old -and another on the way!- I want him to enjoy the series as much as I do. My son loves ewoks, wookies, jawas, and R2D2, and thats fine with me. If the kidstuff in the movies means I get to watch Star Wars instead of Bob the Builder, thats a good compromise.
Also, I''m teaching him to say a classic Han Solo line: ""Laugh it up, fuzzball!"" whenever someone laughs.
I'm still waiting to get inside something, so for the moment, it's been very much "poke around the ravine." - rabbit
I like RotJ and the final battle is definitely awesome, but I didn''t really notice the film''s flaws until I saw the Special Edition in a late viewing in a theatre. Everything involving the ewoks bored the hell out of me, I almost fell asleep. And that''s when I remembered that I used to either go the fast-forward route (in case of a video) or switch tv channels (in case of it being aired) whenever during these scenes.
In terms of space battles, I think the Millenium Falcon trying to escape in the asteroid field in ESB and the final encounter in RotJ are still better than anything the first two prequels could offer despite better tech being available. I was quite disappointed with the space battle in Ep I - with both, the way it was executed as well as the way it was concluded (Anakin pushing buttons''n stuff, yaaarg.) The ground battle in AtoC didn''t get me thrilled either because everything looked utterly artificial. I''m really curious about Ep III here because the trailer did feature some great looking scenes.
I sense ""old-mandom"" approaching me. When I see the new prequels (and Star Wars isn''t the only set of movies that falls into this category), I get the, ""Too much stuff happening on screen at one time,"" syndrome. I constantly feel like I can''t enjoy the movie because there is literally so much action on screen that I can''t catch it. Everything moves too quickly, and the screen is saturated with explosions, flying things, etc. Add to that the MTV style ""cutting"" that I deplore which means you can''t actually see someone fully swing a blade; it has to cut to three different camera angles during the swing.
It was very strange; having watched the Vader-Luke fight in Empire recently, I was amazed that I''m really not just getting older, that I actually could still follow it and see what was going on, versus the ""Yoda-Dooku"" fight in the prequels (and the Maul-Kenobi-Rob Roy fight as well).
I sense ""old-mandom"" approaching me. When I see the new prequels (and Star Wars isn''t the only set of movies that falls into this category), I get the, ""Too much stuff happening on screen at one time,"" syndrome. I constantly feel like I can''t enjoy the movie because there is literally so much action on screen that I can''t catch it.
I agree. Sometimes I wonder if it isn''t laziness on the part of the director. For example, in Kingdom of Heaven, I don''t think Orlando Bloom ever really had to lear how to use a sword. The editing was so frenetic you never really saw more than one quick swing followed by a spurt of blood or dust.
I concur, and I''m not an old man. This hundred edits a minute thing is getting pretty tiring. Somtimes it''s fair game, showing the confusion of a war and whatnot, but most of the time it''s just hack directors like Michael Bay desperately throwing stuff at you to keep you from dozing of. Or hiding the fact that they couldn''t afford a talented fight choreographer.
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I liked RotJ. I liked (and still like) it very much. I really don''t understand the widespread Ewok hate. Yes, they were cute, but I think that''s largely because of their size and the fact that they''re furry. They never came across (to me, at least) as being intentional ''cutesy'' - maybe naive, and certainly non-tech, but not cutesy. They struck as very... well, ''human'' isn''t exactly the word I''m looking for, but... Wicket trying to comfort Leia, the baby Ewoks nursing, the Ewok that cries over his fallen companion - all good stuff, in my eyes. A bit hackneyed at times, but nice touches. (Plus, they were pretty underdoggy; how much of an underdog can an army of 7-ft wookiees be?)
As to the 100-cuts a minute: I despised (and despise) the Yoda-Dooku fight. Yoda in the original trilogy has an aura of dignity, and serenity. CGYoda is a bloody superball with a lightsaber. Part of what I really enjoyed about the original trilogy lightsaber fights was that they had a sense of majesty; watch Darth Vader and his decidedly minimalist swordplay and tell me that doesn''t make him cooler. And scarier. Watch CGYoda, and tell me you don''t feel a little like throwing up.
...bloody Lucas... <hope>Episode 3 really could pay for all...</hope>
I like ROTJ as well. The ewoks were a little over-the-top, aim-square-at-the kids addition at the time. But now, next to Jar-Jar, the Ewoks look like a warrior caste of furry bad-asses.
The thing that alway bothered me about Jedi was that they never went back to Yoda''s warning when Luke left Dagobah in Empire. Yoda expressly warns Luke that he would be in great danger if he did not finish his training. Yet Luke leaves and by the time he comes back, Yoda says he''s got all the training he needs. WTF?
So what was the danger? That Vader would tell Luke he was his father? That Luke would be tempted by the Dark Side and perhaps succumb? or was Yoda simply overstating the matter so Luke would stay and not go help his friends who might be killed, since Jedis are not suppose to have any attachments? Can this post have any more questions?
Here''s something thats bugged me since I saw Attack of the Clones. If Anakin (Darth Vader) visited the farm on Tatooine in chapter 2 (Clones) where Luke would eventually be raised (in chapter 4), why didn''t Darth Vader think to look for the escaped droids on that farm in Chapter 4 first? He sent storm troopers to Mos Eisley, but not Luke''s uncle''s Farm? Weak.
I'm still waiting to get inside something, so for the moment, it's been very much "poke around the ravine." - rabbit
Here''s something thats bugged me since I saw Attack of the Clones. If Anakin (Darth Vader) visited the farm on Tatooine in chapter 2 (Clones) where Luke would eventually be raised (in chapter 4), why didn''t Darth Vader think to look for the escaped droids on that farm in Chapter 4 first? He sent storm troopers to Mos Eisley, but not Luke''s uncle''s Farm? Weak.
He didn''t know it was C3P0 or R2D2 and he wouldn''t have been actively looking for Luke.
Unfortunately, if I slash my wrist with my lightsaber it cauterizes instantly. - PurEvil on emo Star Wars plots.
The thing that alway bothered me about Jedi was that they never went back to Yoda''s warning when Luke left Dagobah in Empire. Yoda expressly warns Luke that he would be in great danger if he did not finish his training. Yet Luke leaves and by the time he comes back, Yoda says he''s got all the training he needs. WTF?
I think that the danger that Yoda spoke of was that Luke would turn out to be a complete incompetent, which he did. Luke spends way more time getting his ass handed to him in ROTJ than anything else. Yoda telling him that he has all the training he needs is just him rolling with the punches. In the end, Luke''s sole purpose in life is to remind his Dad of puppies and gumdrops and hugs so that he can come back to the light side.
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Heh - talk about damning with faint praise... Sounds like it may be the first of the prequels to be worth buying a ticket, though, from the other reviews. Thanks for the link, Puck!
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Why am I apparently the only person on the planet who did not hate Return of the Jedi? I thought it was pretty decent (barring the Ewoks, who were not nearly as annoying as Jar Jar).
I like it too! I don''t want to wade too deep into the issue here (for fear of pushing this thread into P&C
What must be said though, is that I don''t evaluate them in the same way as I do other movies. That''s certainly an indication of heavy bias, but that''s what being a fan is all about, afterall.
So, I''m quite looking forward to Episode 3, regardless of what the reviews say.
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You aren''t the only one. RotJ is a very strong movie. If Lucas had set it on a wookie planet instead of an ewok planet, I think it would have a much better reputation. The first half of Jedi (badass black-clad Luke, slave-girl Leia, rancor fight, saber fight on the hovercraft over the saarlak pit) is my favorite part of the whole original trilogy. The ending of RotJ, with the crosscutting among three different battles, is a masterpiece of film editing and storytelling.
I know this is heretical thinking amongst most Star Wars faithful, but I like RotJ more than Empire. It provides a sense of closure and completeness that was utterly lacking in Empire.
That was one of the main reasons people liked Empire..shrug.
Unfortunately, if I slash my wrist with my lightsaber it cauterizes instantly. - PurEvil on emo Star Wars plots.
I thought the acting in Jedi was some of the worst of the ENTIRE Star Wars franchise. The saving grace for me for the movie was the final Luke-Vader fight, but most of the movie just was terrible to me.
- Harrison Ford looking straight at Lando when he was supposedly still blind.
- Chewbacca making tarzan noises
- The Jabba band
- Ewoks
- The stupid rankor handler crying
- The super star destroyer crashing into the death star (I still can not believe they did not redo that with the special effects updates)
- R2D2 gets shot and blows up when trying to break back into the shield generator, and he''s hollow!
- Ewoks taking down storm troopers with pebbles
These are just a few of the parts that still urk me when I watch it. Especially when compared to Empire Strikes Back. There was so much potential that was just wasted.
I really liked RotJ as well.
But then again, I''m a whore for space battles.
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Couldn''t have put it better myself. Yeah it kind of sucks to think about what the prequels and RotJ could have been, but I just like to take them as they are as part of the Star Wars universe, and then I wish for more.
RotJ was always one of my favorites, because thinking back on it, it was probably the first one I really remember seeing.
Anyhow, I''m totally looking forward to the release of Ep. III, [sarcasm] even though my ""friend"" Reaper had to bail on me to go see it, instead to go to some silly ""E3"" thing or whatever."" [/sarcasm]
"It's like when you go through McDonald's and they give you an extra, -- oh, I don't know -- 1 million french fries. Do you question it? Nope. You just bask in the glory that is one million french fries." -Highlander
I actually like RotJ the best out of all the SW movies.
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Return of the Jedi was good, IMO, just not fantastic.
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I find snow to be boring, so I wasn''t overly enthralled by Empire''s opening battle. RotJ, or maybe A New Hope are my favs of the SW movies.
I''ll probably go see Ep 3 a while after it''s been out.
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A friend of mine talked me into seeing Episode III on midnight of release day. We already have tickets. I feel so dirty. He suckered me in with, ""Do you really want to say for the rest of your life that you never saw a Star Wars film at a midnight release showing?"" I couldn''t resist.
As for ROTJ, I very much enjoy it, although I do recognize many respects in which it failed to live up to the first two films. However, I feel that these weaknesses are largely compensated for by some pretty outstanding stuff, such as the battle of the fleets, the Luke/Vader/Emperor showdown, the oppressive and weighty psychological aspects, etc. I am also keenly aware of the fact that, although I find Ewoks annoying now, as a child I was delighted by the Ewoks and their primitive combat techniques. So even some of the Ewok scenes still bring a big smile to my face.
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Growing up in a city in which is NEVER snows, I found the first part of Empire be enthralling. Living in upstate New York for the last five years though...I see where you''re coming from
As for RotJ, I really enjoyed it myself. I didn''t realize there was a general negative sentiment. Any cheese factor in that film is outweighed a thousand times by the cheese in A New Hope, methinks.
edited for spelling, after Lobo quoted: ha!
ANH was cheesier than ROTJ, but not as childish. It''s the insipid childishness and uninspired slapstick humor that turns off so many people, I think. Interestingly, I never detected any widespread abhorrence of ROTJ, in either myself or others, until after Episode One was released in 1999. When Episode One stomped all over us with its Boots of Immaturity +5, many people looked back on ROTJ with fresh eyes and realized, ""Oh God! The signs were there all along!"" That''s my pet theory, anyway.
The market has much to answer for as to why gaming is NOT an art. -- illum
I have great difficulty in properly gauging that film, as I was so young when I first saw it. I fully agree that it was filled with inane Ewok antics, but when you''re seven or so, it seems quite good
And of course, the almighty glasses of nosalgia always prevent me from making a fair and unbiased judgement when watching it now.
I can buy your Episode 1 theory - certainly, it demolished the pedestal Lucas was standing on beforehand, in many a fan''s mind. Still, I try to not let the prequels distort my views of the first three films, as it hardly seems fair to hold the man accountable for his later insanity.
Agreed. The end scene of RotJ with the battle between Luke/Vadar/Emperor imposed against the massive space battle is flat out classic. One of the most riveting movie scenes ever. If not for those damned Ewoks RotJ would be recoginized as the best of the bunch.
""Take your Jedi weapon! Use it. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!""
I have mixed feelings about the cutesy factor in the Star Wars movies. Sure, the ewoks and JarJar are annoying to adults, but now that I have a 2.4 year old -and another on the way!- I want him to enjoy the series as much as I do. My son loves ewoks, wookies, jawas, and R2D2, and thats fine with me. If the kidstuff in the movies means I get to watch Star Wars instead of Bob the Builder, thats a good compromise.
Also, I''m teaching him to say a classic Han Solo line: ""Laugh it up, fuzzball!"" whenever someone laughs.
I'm still waiting to get inside something, so for the moment, it's been very much "poke around the ravine." - rabbit
I like RotJ and the final battle is definitely awesome, but I didn''t really notice the film''s flaws until I saw the Special Edition in a late viewing in a theatre. Everything involving the ewoks bored the hell out of me, I almost fell asleep. And that''s when I remembered that I used to either go the fast-forward route (in case of a video) or switch tv channels (in case of it being aired) whenever during these scenes.
In terms of space battles, I think the Millenium Falcon trying to escape in the asteroid field in ESB and the final encounter in RotJ are still better than anything the first two prequels could offer despite better tech being available. I was quite disappointed with the space battle in Ep I - with both, the way it was executed as well as the way it was concluded (Anakin pushing buttons''n stuff, yaaarg.) The ground battle in AtoC didn''t get me thrilled either because everything looked utterly artificial. I''m really curious about Ep III here because the trailer did feature some great looking scenes.
I sense ""old-mandom"" approaching me. When I see the new prequels (and Star Wars isn''t the only set of movies that falls into this category), I get the, ""Too much stuff happening on screen at one time,"" syndrome. I constantly feel like I can''t enjoy the movie because there is literally so much action on screen that I can''t catch it. Everything moves too quickly, and the screen is saturated with explosions, flying things, etc. Add to that the MTV style ""cutting"" that I deplore which means you can''t actually see someone fully swing a blade; it has to cut to three different camera angles during the swing.
It was very strange; having watched the Vader-Luke fight in Empire recently, I was amazed that I''m really not just getting older, that I actually could still follow it and see what was going on, versus the ""Yoda-Dooku"" fight in the prequels (and the Maul-Kenobi-Rob Roy fight as well).
I agree. Sometimes I wonder if it isn''t laziness on the part of the director. For example, in Kingdom of Heaven, I don''t think Orlando Bloom ever really had to lear how to use a sword. The editing was so frenetic you never really saw more than one quick swing followed by a spurt of blood or dust.
I concur, and I''m not an old man. This hundred edits a minute thing is getting pretty tiring. Somtimes it''s fair game, showing the confusion of a war and whatnot, but most of the time it''s just hack directors like Michael Bay desperately throwing stuff at you to keep you from dozing of. Or hiding the fact that they couldn''t afford a talented fight choreographer.
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I liked RotJ. I liked (and still like) it very much. I really don''t understand the widespread Ewok hate. Yes, they were cute, but I think that''s largely because of their size and the fact that they''re furry. They never came across (to me, at least) as being intentional ''cutesy'' - maybe naive, and certainly non-tech, but not cutesy. They struck as very... well, ''human'' isn''t exactly the word I''m looking for, but... Wicket trying to comfort Leia, the baby Ewoks nursing, the Ewok that cries over his fallen companion - all good stuff, in my eyes. A bit hackneyed at times, but nice touches. (Plus, they were pretty underdoggy; how much of an underdog can an army of 7-ft wookiees be?)
As to the 100-cuts a minute: I despised (and despise) the Yoda-Dooku fight. Yoda in the original trilogy has an aura of dignity, and serenity. CGYoda is a bloody superball with a lightsaber. Part of what I really enjoyed about the original trilogy lightsaber fights was that they had a sense of majesty; watch Darth Vader and his decidedly minimalist swordplay and tell me that doesn''t make him cooler. And scarier. Watch CGYoda, and tell me you don''t feel a little like throwing up.
...bloody Lucas... <hope>Episode 3 really could pay for all...</hope>
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-on L4DI like ROTJ as well. The ewoks were a little over-the-top, aim-square-at-the kids addition at the time. But now, next to Jar-Jar, the Ewoks look like a warrior caste of furry bad-asses.
The thing that alway bothered me about Jedi was that they never went back to Yoda''s warning when Luke left Dagobah in Empire. Yoda expressly warns Luke that he would be in great danger if he did not finish his training. Yet Luke leaves and by the time he comes back, Yoda says he''s got all the training he needs. WTF?
So what was the danger? That Vader would tell Luke he was his father? That Luke would be tempted by the Dark Side and perhaps succumb? or was Yoda simply overstating the matter so Luke would stay and not go help his friends who might be killed, since Jedis are not suppose to have any attachments? Can this post have any more questions?
Here''s something thats bugged me since I saw Attack of the Clones. If Anakin (Darth Vader) visited the farm on Tatooine in chapter 2 (Clones) where Luke would eventually be raised (in chapter 4), why didn''t Darth Vader think to look for the escaped droids on that farm in Chapter 4 first? He sent storm troopers to Mos Eisley, but not Luke''s uncle''s Farm? Weak.
I'm still waiting to get inside something, so for the moment, it's been very much "poke around the ravine." - rabbit
He didn''t know it was C3P0 or R2D2 and he wouldn''t have been actively looking for Luke.
Unfortunately, if I slash my wrist with my lightsaber it cauterizes instantly. - PurEvil on emo Star Wars plots.
I think that the danger that Yoda spoke of was that Luke would turn out to be a complete incompetent, which he did. Luke spends way more time getting his ass handed to him in ROTJ than anything else. Yoda telling him that he has all the training he needs is just him rolling with the punches. In the end, Luke''s sole purpose in life is to remind his Dad of puppies and gumdrops and hugs so that he can come back to the light side.
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