I want to get this but I''m not paying $65 for it.

uh its $49 pretty much everywhere I looked.

On the one hand, I already have way too many driving games. On the other hand, I love racing games and this looks incredibly cool. Let the indecision begin! I''ll be off muttering to myself and rocking back and forth if anyone needs me...

GT4 is the only thing making me regret that I don''t have a PS2... I will own forza, oh yes.

Now I just need to find an awesome racing wheel...

Donan you are the man. I''ll be making the trek down to fry''s at lunch. Booyah!

Whose knob to I have to polish to get a Fry''s built in Central Florida?

Just remember to ask if you don''t see it, for a few times they hadn''t got the item in yet. Ask for rain check and when they say they''ll call you or whatever when it comes in, don''t count on it. Just check the store again later that day or the next.

I''ll bite. What were your problems with the Demo Thin_J?

Most of the reviews I have read said the full game was much better than the demo.

Nobody read this thread! Buy Midnight Club 3!

If that''s true, I await a impressions and just might buy it. If not, well here goes.

They were all handling related. The graphics, sound, etc.. all that was fine, but the car handling and physics were way off. Not just a little.. but I mean godawful off. My first time through the demo, I chose the WRX.. the track given was Laguna Seca. A fairly difficult track really. There are some extremely sharp turns, and then there are some gradual ones.

My issues with the game revolve entirely around their claims of ""ultra-realistic handling"". Driving a WRX that''s this awesome piece of automotive engineering, but not being able to take the gradual turns in the course at more than 40 miles per hour. If the people developing forza think that''s realistic, boy do I have news for them.

There''s a 90 degree turn on the road right off my street that I take to the interstate every morning before work. I''ve taken said turn at fourty miles per hour before. In my Focus. Yes. My FORD FOCUS. No, that''s not safe driving. Yes, its'' a hell of a lot of fun. Guy''s gotta have some fun in the morning before work sometime. Now, tell me you don''t think a WRX can do what my little focus can do. That''s right, it should blow my doors off, glad we agree.

Well, the developers of Forza apparantly didn''t when they designed their physics.

I''m sure someone somewhere reads that and says.. ""It''s a videogame. If it''s fun who cares?"" Well.. it might have been fun to me had it felt realistic as they claimed it was. But it didn''t.

Please note that I didn''t just give the demo one 5 minute shot say it sucked and then drop it. I attempted the course with all the cars given, just to see if it was perhaps some kind of fluke. It wasn''t. I struggled through the demo with every car multiple times because I wanted to like it. I had been looking forward to playing Forza ever since it was announced.

It was thoroughly disappointing.

I am on my way to the very store that Sanjuro likely picked it up from. Hopefully he didn''t get the last one

Stric, the one off of Aero Drive down by the stadium had a billion copies when I got there.

EDIT: Oh yeah, impressions. f*cking good so far. Learning curve is just like Gran Turismo, and is just as frustrating. The online scoreboards double the addictiveness factor though.

The vinyl/decal tool is intimidating at first, but once you get the hang of it, you can do some really neat stuff.

EDIT AGAIN: Anybody make a car club yet?

And so it begins...

Maybe I''m just not enough of a gearhead to tell the difference. The physics seem equally realistic, the driver AI seems to be much better, and the tuning options are just as extensive as Gran Turismo''s.

I know a fair bit about cars, but I''m no expert. What am I missing that''s keeping this from being GT?

For me, this is a feather in its cap.

Nor does it have a single Civic CRX. Quoth Mick Jagger, you can''t always get what you want