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So now that both sides have pretty much come out and said that this seasons done, all that really is left is the official announcement. What I can't figure out is that if discussions over this period of time hasn't yielded any results, what will another half-year bring? Will one side magically say mid-summer: yeah, I guess we'll accept your proposal, or are both sides so entrenched now that nothing short of replacement players will bring back the NHL?

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I say the start up a rival league with more violence and cheaper tickets...the XHL

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I never thought the NHL''s #1 problem was not enough violence. Just too much grabbing and clutching, and not enough wide open play.

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Until the players accept some sort of salary cap, no NHL ever.

I seriously doubt the owners will cave,

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The reality as I see it is that if they stay out of business, most owners are better off financially. The players are not. I hope that the owners hang tough and the players get more reasonable. I hope then that baseball owners follow suit.

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Correct me if I''m being stupid, but what''s to stop the owners from hiring a bunch of people who ARE willing to play for the rate they want? Or starting a new ""league"" like the United Hockey League or something, using the same rinks, but new players, a la ""The Replacements""?

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I think the owners have to try and negotiate with the current union for a specified amount of time before they are legally allowed to bring in other players.

I did however here some of the sports casters talking about how if they don''t sign a deal that there may not even be hockey next year. That suprises me as I would think that by than the NHL would be looking to find replacement players by than.

As far as I am concerned, if the NHL started to bring in replacement players the NHLPA would be screwed. All the newest NHL stars are the young guys hungry to get into the NHL and with some experience they would be just as good if not better than the current batch of stars that are the major problem right now because their salaries are too high.

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The owners brought it on themselves. If they didn''t sign the players to the contracts in the first place, the players would have no expectation they should be making that much money. It is really the owners fault for very poor financial planning.

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"LeapingGnome wrote:
The owners brought it on themselves. If they didn''t sign the players to the contracts in the first place, the players would have no expectation they should be making that much money. It is really the owners fault for very poor financial planning.

While this is true and add some blame to the NHL for over expanding a league that was having trouble supporting half the teams it had previously.

It doesnt solve any problems.. You can''t simply say well since the owners are to blame for high salary''s then we have to continue paying the players these high salaries.

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Both the owners and players are at fault for the current lockout and cancelled season, all I''m saying is the owners brought it on themselves and set the expectations for the players.

How they could ever get in a position where they are paying more money then they''re making is just ludicrous. These owners are megamillionaires or billionaries, they should know how or have people that know how to manage money.

Both groups need to compromise.

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"LeapingGnome wrote:
The owners brought it on themselves. If they didn''t sign the players to the contracts in the first place, the players would have no expectation they should be making that much money. It is really the owners fault for very poor financial planning.

That''s a rather myopic take on things. Is the reason Japanese car manufacturers starting outselling American cars strictly the company''s fault? There is plenty of blam to go around, but the reality is that the NHL ""system can''t support the high salaries of these players. They all contributed to the problem. If the players want to be NHL players they will have to realize that they can''t make so much the business end of the NHL fails. The same thing goes for baseball, basketball and football. A few rich owners that care more about winning than losing money have substantially damaged professional sports. Trying to keep up with the rich teams kills smaller teams, which will make the leagues fail eventually. Look at the differences in the popularity changes in football and baseball. parity and the salary cap have a lot to do with it.

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"sheared wrote:
I never thought the NHL''s #1 problem was not enough violence. Just too much grabbing and clutching, and not enough wide open play.

Amen. Too many teams - diluted talent, goalies equipment way too freakin large and the refs not calling penalties. The NHL offers a poor show.

In a recent survey, only 24% of the canadians questioned said they were missing the NHL. I think it says a lot. If they don''t do something real quick they''ll go the way of the dodo and that''ll be a very, very sad day.

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I was listening to Minneapolis radio last week and the big talk was that it sounds like they''re planning on hiring *EDIT*other players to come in and start playing late next year after the talks fall through again. The theory seemed to be that the younger, lower paid players would then cross the picket line.

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I wouldn''t call them scabs. The connotation taken from that word is people coming in and taking living wage jobs from working class people.

These are extremely high paid athletes. The money these guys are arguing over giving back is more than most folks make - forget about what they would have continued to make if they completely capitulated!

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Not to mention that these highly-paid athletes have had no problem going down into lower leagues and taking the jobs of those players.

As neat as seeing Scott Gomez come play here against the Fresno Falcons was, there''s some player on that team who had to pack his bags and leave to make room for Gomez''s minor league moonlighting.

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I have editted my previous post to be less potentially offensive to all the hard-working, true scabs out there.

I guess I''ve always heard the word scab applied to anyone who works a union controlled shop. I''m from the Iron Range, you know.

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"LeapingGnome wrote:
Both groups need to compromise.

And the owners won''t. Here is the history:

#1. Owners want hard cap.
#2. Players come back with their ""salary cut"" proposal
#3. Owners want hard cap.
#4. Players propose a luxury tax system, and not one like baseball I think it was 60% tax on salary over a certain lvl (basically just taxing the Rangers and a few others).
#5. Owners put a deal together that agrees with the luxury tax system, but one of the clauses is that ""Once that system failed we will instill a hard cap. Oh, and we will define failing.""
#6 Players reject this, knowing that the owners want a hard cap or nothing.

The owners don''t just magically know what is ""good for hockey"", they know what is good for their business. They want what the NFL has and the players don''t (I know I wouldn''t).

If the union stands strong next year, the owners will crack. If they cross the line, then a hard salary cap is in the future. Frankly I think they should contract to about 16-20 teams, open up the ice, take out the red lines, no more clutch and grab, and let them play like the Europeans. Even then they are going to have a hard time filling the seats.

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I''ve run a beer league hockey team in SoCal for the better part of 10 years... and this hits me on a lot of different levels. SoCal isn''t exactly the biggest hotbed of hockey, but we hold our own. I just can''t past how we got here. Neither side met until a couple of weeks before training camp, if memory serves me correctly. The CBA expiring wasn''t a big secret. At that, meetings seemed sporadic and unproductive from the start. It is also my understanding that a 3rd party mediator was not involved until LAST WEEK.

I''m not one to put down a legitimate labor dispute. With that said, the last time I checked the working conditions in the NHL didn''t seem so bad. I wish my problems centered around which color my two new Lexus vehicles should be. Seriously.

As a fan, I feel like I''ve been slapped in the face. I was looking forward to watching as many hockey games on TV with my three year old this season. But we''re not. You know what? It''s not about the money. It''s not about the salary cap. It''s not about changing the free agency rules. It''s about the fans, and the NHL missed the point completely. Instead of getting over themselves, working this out and getting out on the ice - I''m left to explain to my son why there is no hockey on. It''s all about the fans - and they''ve shown us what they think of us. No one involved in this dispute has made any meaningful acknowledgment of the fans.

The NHL now becomes the first and only professional sports organization to lose an entire season to a labor dispute. I don''t care who is at fault. Really, I don''t. It is utterly ridiculous that it''s come to this point. I hope the NHL dissolves. I hope the NHLPA collapses. They are all dead to me now.

If they pull their collective heads out sometime later this year, I''ll spend money to watch hockey when Hell freezes over. I''ll watch it on TV, with my son of course. But I will never forget this no matter what happens. I''m pissed and I''m not sorry about it.

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Am I the only one who wants a salary cap just to make the player management system better in Hockey Video Games?

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"magnus wrote:
Am I the only one who wants a salary cap just to make the player management system better in Hockey Video Games?

Now that''s dedication to the cause!

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I find it far more fun to watch my local semi-pro hockey leagues than anything the NHL has to offer. They are far more closely tied to the community, whereas my experience with the NHL have shown them to be very cold (no pun intended).

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I find it far more fun to watch my local semi-pro hockey leagues than anything the NHL has to offer. They are far more closely tied to the community, whereas my experience with the NHL have shown them to be very cold (no pun intended).

I don''t know. At least here in Vancouver the Canucks try there hardest to make it seem like they are part of the community. They got Canuck Place for sick kids and Trevor Linden is always helping out in the community.

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"Vector wrote:
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I find it far more fun to watch my local semi-pro hockey leagues than anything the NHL has to offer. They are far more closely tied to the community, whereas my experience with the NHL have shown them to be very cold (no pun intended).

I don''t know. At least here in Vancouver the Canucks try there hardest to make it seem like they are part of the community. They got Canuck Place for sick kids and Trevor Linden is always helping out in the community.

Your experience mirrors mine with the Colorado Avalanche. After growing up seeing and hearing about athletes in other sports (which by no means were all of them - just select few), the stories I would read about the Avalanche players always seemed to be a breath of fresh air.

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I haven''t missed the season too much, but then again it hasn''t really been the same for me since the Whalers left Hartford.
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What''s hockey - isnt that Canadian for spitting?

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I haven''t missed this season too much either, but now that football season is over, I''m not sure what to do with all that time freed up. Maybe I''ll pick up WoW or something

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"sheared wrote:
I never thought the NHL''s #1 problem was not enough violence. Just too much grabbing and clutching, and not enough wide open play.

Or perhaps even more grabbing and clutching would lay thing really ""wide open"", eh? Eh? I bet that would bring in the crowds.

A pity acclaim isn''t around anymore to make the officially licensed game.

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I''m thinking they''ll hash something together and salvage a 35-40 game season with a smaller playoff selection with one less playoff round.

Let the healing begin!!

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