Coffee Makers: I seek your CIVIL opinion
Ok. My current experiment into the realm of Grind & Brew (Cuisinart DGB-600BC Grind and Brew, Brushed Chrome) coffee makers has been an extraordinary failure. It leaks, clogs up with old grounds, and requires a great deal of cleaning to keep running. It does make a good cup of coffee, but the effort it takes to maintain it is well past it's worth. So now I am on a quest, so to speak, for an excellent 10-12 cup drip coffee maker that has a built in timer and termal carafe.
So I spent a few minutes on Amazon and found the following;
Zojirushi EC-BD15 Fresh Brew Thermal Carafe Coffee Maker
Krups 229-4G Aroma Control 10-Cup Coffeemaker with Thermal Carafe
Braun KF600 Impressions 10-Cup Thermal Coffeemaker
Capresso 440.05 MT-500 10-Cup Electronic Coffeemaker with Thermal Carafe
Hamilton Beach 47224 12-Cup BrewStation with Water Filter, Black
Now, what coffee maker are you using and is it any good? Have you used any of these, and more importantly, have any of you ever used a Zojirushi appliance before?
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I don''t know much about a good drip maker, but I have to take this opportunity to plug the pod coffee makers -- they''re possibly the greatest beverage-related invention EVER.
Seriously, I got one about a month ago - the kind that use pods to make one cup at a time - and I''ve used it at least once a day ever since. It makes frickin'' perfect coffee every time. I''ve even stopped going to Starbucks.
Target was having a deal a while ago where if you buy a six-pack of coffee pods ($30 for six boxes of 18 pods) you get the $50 coffee maker free. It''s worth every penny.
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is it one pod = one cup of coffee? if so that can get pretty pricey. I think I will stick to tea
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Is each pod in a plastic packet? If so it seems wasteful.
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I''ve used and worn out or broken a bunch of drip makers. Never been happy with any of them for one reason or another. I think they all are pretty much the same, though. We use very high quality coffee (right now, Ethiopian Fancy from Peet''s), and then it just takes a few pots to learn how much grounds to put in to make the coffee the strength we like.
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Civil? CIVIL? Man how can you talk about coffee makers and stay civil? Politics, religion, coffee makers.... man you just don''t talk about this stuff in public without expecting a fight.
I am a g*dd@m^ Foligers man and nobodies changing my mind.
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Evidentally Tycho from Penny Arcade didn''t like his pod machine:
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Well, not to be dimm or anything, but ""tastes like the mud in which dead men lie"" doesn''t leave a lot of room for arugement.
Regardless, back on topics and avoiding incindiary remarks, the Zoji coffee maker is on Newegg.com for 59.99 plus 5.99 for shipping. I placed my order tonight.
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I have a pod machine for the office in which I''m working; I''m an addict (yes, a major vice) but my boss is practically allergic to the smell of coffee (might trigger his migraines). So, the pod- and I''d recommend the Melitta as being a well-constructed and relatively inexpensive machine- was the answer. Makes good (not great, but good) hot coffee in about 1 minute. No fumes, no burnt coffee to throw out. And, if you get the pods on sale (and Maxwell House is now offering an across-the-spectrum-of-pod-machines pod), you''re still only paying abot $.25-.30/cup (USD).
For the home, we burned through our last 12-cup fancy Braun about 3 months ago; just stopped working. We reverted to a 10-cupper (no frills- not even a clock) and waited for Consumer Reports to come out with their notes. Turns out the slightly newer version of the 10-cup Braun is one of their ""Best Buys"" and you can get it for about $20 USD.
We owned one of the fancy ""set-it-up-the-night-before-and-you-have-fresh-coffee-when-you-get-up"" ones, but after a year the tubes had so corroded from having water in them a lot that we had to trash it. Too much money for only a little more ""convenience"".....
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We use a french press almost exclusively now. Doesn''t make a ton of coffee -- usually enough for a cup and a bit for 2 people the way we drink it -- but I have grown to prefer the taste. At work I use a Black & Decker Cup-At-A-Time single-cup maker (not this exact one but similar). Has a permanent filter and you use your own beans instead of being stuck with whatever the pod makers want you to use.
My problem with the pod makers is that you''re limited to their pods. I buy my beans from a local roaster, and we switch blends or varieties often. I don''t want to be limited to some conglomerate''s idea of coffee.
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I''ve got 2 Brauns from Starbucks, another Braun with the dual travel mugs (nice!) and someone just gave me this Cuisinart Automatic Grind and Brew
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Needless to say, I likes the coffee. I''m real brand agnostic on the actual coffee though: so long as its a dark roast, and reasonably priced, it''s good enough for me.
I try to buy all the ""specials"" form Starbucks, particulalry any from Latin America. My vote of one for ""do more of this"". The Salvadoran coffees they''ve put out have been excellent.
My mother-in-law drank two pots of Maxwell House a day, and brewed it in one of those Corningware percolators. Absolutely nothing else would do. Those percolators had been recalled because the handles would fall off, dropping hot quarts of coffee on people, so she had a couple extras (purchased at garage sales) in case hers broke.
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French press and a good conical burr grinder (I wore out my Zassenhaus box mill), all you need.
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I use a braun grinder that I adore. I use a french press when I''m just making a cup for me, but I believe that it''s quite possible that my coffee addition may be keeping the organic fair-trade growers in south america afloat. I drink a lot, a lot of coffee.
That said, since the infusion coffee maker I really want is far too fragile to have in a house with a toddler, I make do with drip makers. They all seem about the same to me, so I''m interested in hearing about your experiences with your new one.
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Wow - y''all are serious about your coffee! We just use a cheapie Black & Decker Smart Brew, which does an excellent job for the price.
My MIL got me a grinder for Christmas, and I have to admit that fresh-grinded beans really do make a big difference. Pain in the butt to clean, though.
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IMO, a French Press is the way to go. With a little expermentation and a good grinder you''ll end up with a great cup of coffe every time. For a drip maker I just get whatever is cheapest. I can''t tell the difference and they never seem to last that long anyway.
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I''m on French Press side. Get a good grinder, a French Press with a reasonably fine screen, some kind of mineral water you like, and good coffee beans.
I''ve found that you can get 100% Kona and brew it with Hawaiian spring water, which for some bizarre reason is easy to find in the DC area, and it tastes like it does in Hawaii. Obviously the water chemistry is important in the flavor.
You can also buy plastic French Presses for camping and such. Makes life easy.
I must admit, a french press kicks the crap out of a drip maker. The problem is volume. I need to coffee up my wife, and, since the coffee at work is similar to Tycho''s comments on pods, I bring a thermos of the stuff from home with me.
As far as coffee goes, I likes me the Deidrichs, but discovered the joys of reasonably priced coffee from Trader Joes.
I agree with the comments on freshly ground. I cannot pre-grind my coffee. Has to be the day of or at the very least night before.
RE: Coffee Makers
Consumer Reports did a review on drip makers this past month, however, mental deficiencies caused my to toss it. They reviewed a ton of ''em including the high dollar ones, but I didn''t note who their preferred maker was. The Zoji reviewed the best of all the thermal carafe drip makers on Amazon.
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Well, you don''t really need to clean it...unless you''re an absolute purist, or you drink *shudder* flavored coffees.
However, for those times when you do have to clean it, here''s a trick...take a slice of sandwich bread and tear it into small bits, about 1"" square. Toss a handful of them into the grinder. Grind for about 5 seconds, tap everything out into the garbage.
Voila, clean grinder.
(This works with whole wheat bread...but I''m pretty sure white bread would work if that''s what you''ve got. Never tried it though, so YMMV.)
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(face burning with shame) There''s nothing wrong with flavored coffees! Not that I''d know anything about that!
Actually, I''m just a big neat freak and I *hate* seeing any kind of foodstuff out on the counter. My family leaves food out all over the place and it drives me insane - do they not understand why they have bug problems?!
Interesting... I''ll have to try that next time, thanks!
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Coffee makers? Ha! My jar of French instant coffee laughs in your general direction! Go and boil your bottoms, sons of a silly person!
Same here. I need to make at least 10 cups a day, and don''t have time to sit there with the french press for that long.
I also quit grinding my own beans because keeping a burr grinder clean while using really good beans is a big pain. If the oil content of the beans is as high as it should be, the thing will clog after grinding about two pots worth. Peet''s roasts & grinds the coffee when it is time to fill the order, then seals the bags & ships it immediately, so the difference in taste is pretty minor for a drip maker. We get two pounds twice a month, so I toss one in the freezer until needed.
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White bread? Interesting...I use 1/2 cup of plain white uncooked rice, about once a year. Sharpens the burrs and cleans them.
I''ve been off flavored coffees since 1981 when a coffee roaster I knew explained the heresy.
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So I searched with google for Zoji coffee maker and hahah... this thread was number one in the results.
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Hmmm... those are some good tips for cleaning a grinder. I''ll have to try them out.
The slambies are Krups loyalists as well. One automatic drip and one espresso machine can be found in our house. We buy Millstone or some such coffee brand like that and grind the beans at the store.
I can pretty much drink anything that has a taste in the heavy-duty industrial sludge range.
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Well, if the Zoji falls down, I will be going back to the Krups with the stainless carafe. Between Slambie and SuperT I am seriously thinking about giving up my grinding habit. I do remember the issue I had with the grinder back before the abomination that was the grind-and-brew.
SuperT has me thing about heading on over to BevMo and picking up some Peets. It''s a little more expensive than the Trader Joe''s Half Caf that we have been drinking but might be a nice little change for a bit.
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