Finishing Games: I hereby swear it!

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I just had an interesting AIM conversation with my friend DrunkenSleipnir. Try to see past the initial talk about WoW; I'm addressing a separate issue here.

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(03:46:01) DrunkenSleipnir: it would seem that a number of gwjers play WoW together
(03:46:15) DrunkenSleipnir: I absolutely refuse to play that game
(03:46:22) CaptainBovine: yeah, GWJ is WoW-crazy
(03:46:37) DrunkenSleipnir: it's the current big hit
(03:46:46) CaptainBovine: as do I; it's included in my general ban of subscription-based games
(03:46:54) DrunkenSleipnir: a good plan
(03:47:04) DrunkenSleipnir: although, for me, it's included in the my ban of games which don't end.
(03:47:29) CaptainBovine: hmm, interesting
(03:47:31) DrunkenSleipnir: D2 taught me that one.
(03:47:46) DrunkenSleipnir: To put it simply, I must beat a game, or I cannot stop playing it.
(03:48:02) DrunkenSleipnir: It's a habit I've had since the days of the NES
(03:48:20) DrunkenSleipnir: It's how I beat such titles as A Boy and His Blob and Ninja Gaiden
(03:48:42) CaptainBovine: by replaying them endlessly until you arrived at victory?
(03:48:51) DrunkenSleipnir: exactly
(03:49:10) DrunkenSleipnir: I mean, as a result, I got pretty damn good in general...but for games that don't end...it doesn't matter...
(03:49:15) CaptainBovine: hmm, you've just given me a great idea for a GWJ post!

DrunkenSleipnir can't stand to quit a game until he finishes it; he'll even go so far as to play a game for years on end. For this reason, he won't play games that are unfinishable.

I, on the other hand, am a bit more flirtatious when it comes to gaming. I'll often play a game for a few hours, set it aside for several months or more, and then start again from the beginning. The result of this behavior is that I don't finish nearly as many games as I start. What's a bit weird about it is that I really don't like to leave games unfinished, but I end up doing it on a regular basis.

I've actually given some thought in the past to forcing myself to never put aside a game without completing it to my satisfaction. It would be a pretty big change from my past gaming behavior.

I am willing, here and now, to make a pact with myself, and with the GWJ community at large. Barring unforeseen acts of God, I shall not set aside for a significant length of time any game that I enjoy playing until I have thoroughly exhausted its gameplay options. Cue dramatic thunder in the background.

Would anyone else like to join in on the pact-swearing?

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My first game to complete is Galactic Civilizations. I also have the Altarian Prophecy expansion pack, which includes a campaign of scenarios. Also, Stardock just released a free mini-campaign for download. I therefore swear not to set GalCiv aside until I have completed the following tasks:

--Finish a randomly generated galaxy with the following parameters: size=medium or larger; difficulty=medium or higher; civilizations=5 or more.
--Finish the Altarian Prophecy campaign.
--Finish the Prelude to War mini-campaign.

Good gaming lies ahead!

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You mean actually finish a game? Heretic - burn him - away with the foul beast named Lobo. Here at Electronic Gamers with Attention Deficit Disorder or eGADD we simply cant allow your type of heresy to spread - what else would we spend our hard earned money on?

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I, on the other hand, am a bit more flirtatious when it comes to gaming. I''ll often play a game for a few hours, set it aside for several months or more, and then start again from the beginning.

I often start a game that I left aside just a few weeks or even days sometimes ago because I need to be totally immersed to be able to get some fun out of it. So my pile of unfinished is really getting high. Good thing I have the Christmas vacation to remedy that situation.

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...This is *crazy* talk! Finish a game? Finish *every* game?

This is *crazy* talk!

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Come on! You know you want to join in. Just swear with me! Hold up your arm, open your vein, and swear upon every drop that meets the earth!

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Games are not made to be finished...what type of crazy talk!!

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I swear it! I hereby take an oath to continue my practice of finishing all my games! And in doing so, I congratulate you!

Come now, surely there must be someone else somewhere who finishes the games they buy? Anyone? Please?

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I finish everything I buy unless it really, really sucks. Sometimes it''s a bit of a test (Metroid 2 comes to mind, I keep getting about 1% completed every night), but I eventually do it.

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So far this year I finished SC: PT and CoD. A pretty bad track record. But I have not started HL2 as I have decided I must finish Doom3 first. So far I have gotten no further in D3, but I haven;t started HL2, and I feel a bit better about myself. Does that count?

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Why on earth would you ever pledge to finish a game that might not be worth finishing? Take Civ III at launch. Not only was it a buggy nearly unplayable mess, I suspect it was so flawed that you couldn''t win it at Monarch level or higher even if you wanted to. Conversely, WOW seems to have captured the hearts and minds of a great many of our colleagues here despite its perpetual nature. I think I''ll stick with plot, production value, and excitement generated in determining whether I finish a game.

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Alien13z, recall that I pledged the following:

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I shall not set aside for a significant length of time any game that I enjoy playing until I have thoroughly exhausted its gameplay options.

If it''s not worth finishing, presumably I wouldn''t enjoy playing it, and so the pledge would not hold me to finishing such a game.

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Alien, did you get the CIV turn? The game you set up looks fine.

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"Lobo wrote:
Alien13z, recall that I pledged the following:

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I shall not set aside for a significant length of time any game that I enjoy playing until I have thoroughly exhausted its gameplay options.

If it''s not worth finishing, presumably I wouldn''t enjoy playing it, and so the pledge would not hold me to finishing such a game.

Agreed. Sorry. Posting in haste.

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I finish all my games. Sometimes it takes me a while, but I finish them. I haven''t bought a game this year that I didn''t finish the singleplayer portion of at least one time. The exceptions are games that I just bought in the last month and a half or so. Those are all vying for attention, and none of them are getting enough.

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...goes back to his 1990 Gameboy to finish Tetris...

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"DrunkenSleipnir wrote:
Come now, surely there must be someone else somewhere who finishes the games they buy? Anyone? Please?

I''m with you Drunkenwhosiwhasit! Can''t promise I''ll play every game on every skill level. That owuld be mind-numbingly tedious. But I can promise not to buy a new game until I''ve finished an old one. How about that?

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Pyroman[FO],

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I finish everything I buy unless it really, really sucks. Sometimes it''s a bit of a test (Metroid 2 comes to mind, I keep getting about 1% completed every night), but I eventually do it.

Yes Pyro but you are the weird ""dedicated"" type - you are now banished with the rest of the heretics as ""goal setters"" and ""finishers"".

Edit: Games I''d like to finish Doom 3, Dawn of War, GC 2, HL2 and CoD.

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I quit the Call of Duty expansion 1 minute and 50 seconds before the end. And I''m not going back. I quit Doom 3 after SPOILER returning from Hell. I was just so depressed to see another baby spider in a dark hallway . And I''m not going back to that one either. I feel empowered and in control of my own life when I do that.

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I''m not sure I have the *skillz* to finish every game...at the old age of 32, my hand-eye coordination is just not what it used to be (I''m still stuck on the last level of Spiderman 2 on the Xbox).

Also, what would all the game companies do if I actually spent that much time on one particular game? I''d never have time to play the new ones that I somehow spend money on buying every month

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Normally I finish every game I get, sometimes multiple times. The only exception that really comes to mind is Warcraft III- the final mission involved something along the lines of holding off invading forces for 90 minutes, and I just wasn''t crazy enough about the game to invest 90 minutes of my life on one mission of constant frantic activity.

I know, I know... heresy. But WoW III just didn''t trip my trigger for some reason.

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I play games until they defeat me. Sometimes, it''s because my kung-fu is weak, but other times, the games just cause my brain to begin blocking any more input because of the pain.

It''s really a lot of fun this way; you begin to plot out your play time like you were setting up a hostage rescue. You dream of jump sequence variations. You take it personally when the level design is thwarting you. You cry like a little girl when Prince of Persia finally gives you a battle you can''t handle, forcing you to not see the ending... wait, that last part didn''t happen to me... it was a friend of mine. But he''s not buying PoP2 because of it!

So as opposed to looking for a victory, I merely seek to escape defeat. Sometimes that means finishing the game and other times that means ""just one more level"" in WoW

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This will ring some bells with those of us in our thirties:

I played Impossible Mission on the C-64 (which lived up to its name fairly well) not only until I beat it, but until I could win everytime, and under a certain (i forget, this was 20 years ago) time limit. Holy crap, that really was 20 years ago.

I confine my obsessive/compulsive behavior to winning games and performing music. I''ve beaten almost every game I own. Usually multiple times. Currently playing HL2 on ""easy"" over and over, cause I like it when the killing doesn''t distract me from looking around. Plus now I''m making a screen shot collection of killing many zombies at once using flying saw blades. *Sigh*.

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"Alien13z wrote:
I quit Doom 3 after SPOILER returning from Hell. I was just so depressed to see another baby spider in a dark hallway .

The EXACT same place I stopped playing Doom 3. Man did they drop the ball on that one or what? First time I had 0 desire to finish an id game.

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I played Impossible Mission on the C-64 (which lived up to its name fairly well) not only until I beat it, but until I could win everytime...

You''re insane! I didn''t think there was an end to that game! That and Rolling Thunder get my votes for best platform titles of all time.

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I usually play until I get to some point that just frustrates the hell out of me. Then I''ll put it aside for awhile. Maybe I''ll go back to it, maybe not. PoP: Sands of Time did have some of those frustrating monents, but that was one of the few games I was determined to finish, so I fought through it.
I''ve found that most of the games I give up on the fastest are RPGs. I guess those just lose their fun for me the fastest. I think I played Baldur''s Gate for around 4 hours total.

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I''m really pleased to see such a strong response.

I would like to add that personally, I have nothing against MMORPGs, in fact, because of my compulsive behavior, I will play them until I beat them. Which I can''t do. So I fail classes, don''t goto work, etc.

This origins of this (for me) work something like this: when I was very young my parents had a policy regulating game purchases. For example, I was only allowed a new NES game once I beat my old one. The trend continues to this day, even though I control my own finances. To me, it just seems like a waste of money to not finish a game you payed for.

Granted, some games are simply not fun, and not worth finishing. But we all have a tendancy to be enjoying our current favorite, only to be drawn away by something new that just came out. I call this the ""New Shiny Thing Syndrome.""

So, I''m with Fletcher1138 on this one. Certainly not every skill level, but at least victory before the next game is purchased.

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If I took such an oath, it would also be an oath to lose my job, have my wife divorce me, and end up living under a bridge. Since I would have a hard time carrying all the gaming gear around, I''ll have to stick with my current strategy of playing games until they bore me. Sometimes that''s the end of them, sometimes not.

"magnus wrote:
I''m not sure I have the *skillz* to finish every game...at the old age of 32, my hand-eye coordination is just not what it used to be (I''m still stuck on the last level of Spiderman 2 on the Xbox).

There''s a trick to it, which enabled me to beat it at the ripe old age of 38. Get to a relatively open area, and run in circles around Doc Ock while hitting the dodge button. When your slow time meter is full, hit that and web down all of Doc Ock''s tentacles, then pound him two or three times. Get out of there before he recovers, and repeat. Once I figured that out, he only hit me once before I put him down.

Completing Spiderman 2 would also mean getting all of the buoy medals. No, thanks!

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And completing all the pizza missions, finding EVERY icon, etc.

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OMG, I read like first 6 posts in this thread, intently trying to understand why is it the title talks about fishing games, when everybody is just talking about finishing games...

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If I took such an oath, it would also be an oath to lose my job, have my wife divorce me, and end up living under a bridge.

If this oath offered a dental plan, I''d be up for it some days.

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"Supertanker wrote:
If I took such an oath, it would also be an oath to lose my job, have my wife divorce me, and end up living under a bridge. Since I would have a hard time carrying all the gaming gear around, I''ll have to stick with my current strategy of playing games until they bore me.

Keep in mind that according to the terms of the oath, one need not complete a game which becomes tedious in its later stages. Once the game simply stops being fun, nobody in their right mind would want to keep playing it. See Alien13z''s posts above.

The oath is designed to prevent the player from ditching an enjoyable game halfway through -- something we''re all tempted to do from time to time, owing to the New Shiny Thing Syndrome (as DrunkenSleipnir aptly put it). The New Shiny Thing syndrome is a bad, bad thing. It''s the reason why I''ve never finished playing such games as System Shock 2 and Grim Fandango. They rank among my favorite games of all time, and yet I have not played them through to the end. I view this as a sad state of affairs, and that''s why I''ve sworn to change things.

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