I''m not an expert but I''m pretty sure that scene was invented for the movie. It was pretty rare in the comic for Spidey to lose his mask in dramatic situations, unless it was some kind of cliffhanger, but they''re always doing it in the movies so you can see Macguire''s face. Fair enough. A lot of other stuff in the movie was taken right from the comics though, like that scene where he throws his costume in the garbage and walks away into the background is practically the exact frame from the comic.

That is correct.

Sorry, saw a Spiderman thread and had to at least show my respect.

Great scene in the movie tho.

Of course if he wanted to, Doc could have surely ripped off the mask here:

I hear you on that. Venom would be perfect. He was pure evil.

The CG would be awesome as well.

Venom was not pure evil. Carnage is crazy evil.

Venom also protected the innocent and later became a viglante like hero.

Protected the innocent?! ARGH!

Apparently I stopped reading Spiderman before that happened.

That''s lame.

Spidey doesn''t really have a lot of ""pure evil"" villains to work with, really. If they''re not a variation on the petty criminal theme (Rhino, Tombstone, Vulture, The Kingpin) they''re people driven to madness by extremes (Scorpion, Green Goblin I and II, Doc Ock). None of the Sinister Six, for example, were really evil in a Chaotic Evil sort of sense.

As far as the 3rd movie goes, I would kinda like to see Harry Osborne finish his arc and take up the Glider. Not that Venom wouldn''t be cool, he''d just never really meet the fanboy expectations. And the last thing I''d wanna see is a Venom spinoff. The comics did a bad enough job of that as it is.

Carnage sucks as was a horrible invention.

Kain was the only thing cool to come out of the whole Clone Saga. The moment he killed Doctor Octopus (yeah I know he was resurrected later..stupid marvel..) was awesome. Doc Ock was yelling at him saying he has gone toe to toe with the likes of Captain America, just who does he think he is!?

""I am Kain. You are dead.""

<snappage of the neck>

Hell, Kain even killed Kraven the Hunter (granted, it wasn''t the original Kraven, just his son, but still!)

Yes, he started to protect innocents. The thing was, he murdered everyone from purse-snatchers to people that littered. I''d say that still more than qualifies him as a bad guy.

Think of him as an even more violent and less picky version of The Punisher, and without the guns.

I still think he was an awesome character, even after he ""went good"".

Carnage is definitely one of the only real truly evil villains that Spider-Man had.

You bastards, now I''m going to have to dig out a bunch of my Spider-Man comics.

To do Venom as a villain, wouldn''t they have to go through the whole Spiderman replaces his suit story arc first? For the movies, that seems unlikely to me.

Also, I''ve actually read very little Spiderman, but I definitely remember Venom''s host (can''t recall his name) expressing remorse on occasion for the people he killed (after the fact). I agree, Venom is not the non-victim, true-evil villain you''re looking for.

There was never a solid Venom series at least not during the time that I collected comics. There were however, many, MANY mini-series'' released, usually 3 or 4 issues.

I actually have several.

I hope they don''t bring the Vulture in as a villian. That would just suck.

Now Kraven the Hunter would be pretty cool. Have him stalking Spiderman.

I just pulled out 20 or so issues of Amazing Spiderman from the old comic archive in my basement. I tried reading some of them and surprisingly the stories weren''t as good as I remembered. But the eye candy....oh the eye candy.

Wow! Thanks folks. Not only answered my question quickly, but turned into a very interesting thread. Cool.