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Interesting Or Horrifying, Based On Your Views

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By Rick Weiss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, November 20, 2004; Page A01

In Minnesota, pigs are being born with human blood in their veins.

In Nevada, there are sheep whose livers and hearts are largely human.

In California, mice peer from their cages with human brain cells firing inside their skulls.

These are not outcasts from "The Island of Dr. Moreau," the 1896 novel by H.G. Wells in which a rogue doctor develops creatures that are part animal and part human. They are real creations of real scientists, stretching the boundaries of stem cell research.

Biologists call these hybrid animals chimeras, after the mythical Greek creature with a lion's head, a goat's body and a serpent's tail. They are the products of experiments in which human stem cells were added to developing animal fetuses.

Chimeras are allowing scientists to watch, for the first time, how nascent human cells and organs mature and interact -- not in the cold isolation of laboratory dishes but inside the bodies of living creatures. Some are already revealing deep secrets of human biology and pointing the way toward new medical treatments.

But with no federal guidelines in place, an awkward question hovers above the work: How human must a chimera be before more stringent research rules should kick in?

The National Academy of Sciences, which advises the federal government, has been studying the issue and hopes to make recommendations by February. Yet the range of opinions it has received so far suggests that reaching consensus may be difficult.

During one recent meeting, scientists disagreed on such basic issues as whether it would be unethical for a human embryo to begin its development in an animal's womb, and whether a mouse would be better or worse off with a brain made of human neurons.

"This is an area where we really need to come to a reasonable consensus," said James Battey, chairman of the National Institutes of Health's Stem Cell Task Force. "We need to establish some kind of guidelines as to what the scientific community ought to do and ought not to do."

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But with no federal guidelines in place, an awkward question hovers above the work: How human must a chimera be before more stringent research rules should kick in?

Who cares about human cells? Those chimeras still don''t have human souls! And Bible doesn''t say anything about them either. Right?

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"Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
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But with no federal guidelines in place, an awkward question hovers above the work: How human must a chimera be before more stringent research rules should kick in?

Who cares about human cells? Those chimeras still don''t have human souls! And Bible doesn''t say anything about them either. Right?

I''m sure someone will come up with an interpretation to coer them. Give them time. Probably have to skip every other word in genesis to do it, but do it they will.

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How about we go the other way... I wouldn''t mind getting working eagle eyes when I''m older and blind!

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I don''t care about the line!!! I want me eagle eyes!!!

We''re getting there, anyway. In 50 years, infants will be getting ""eagle eyes"" gene therapy shots at the hostpitals at birth, just like today they receive Vitamin K and Hepathitis and other stuff. And kids won''t be admitted to school without receiving the usual Measles-Mumps-Rubella and HHb shots as well ""play nice"" and ""pay attention"" genetical booster shot-style adjustments.

And all the cereals and ""candy juices"" will contain ""229 essential vitamins, minerals, and hormones"".

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The line isn''t getting drawn as fast as the research is being done, whether it''s done here or overseas.

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Could use some tiger claws too... I got some co-workers they''d come in handy with!

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"Alien13z wrote:
The line isn''t getting drawn as fast as the research is being done, whether it''s done here or overseas.

That''s absolutely right. But it''ll be a long time before the issue becomes clear enough to fight over, since unlike with cloning, the potential benefits are great: being able to organically grow replacement parts.

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"doihaveto wrote:
the potential benefits are great: being able to organically grow replacement parts.

Livers first, come on!

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"Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
I don''t care about the line!!! I want me eagle eyes!!!

We''re getting there, anyway. In 50 years, infants will be getting ""eagle eyes"" gene therapy shots at the hostpitals at birth, just like today they receive Vitamin K and Hepathitis and other stuff. And kids won''t be admitted to school without receiving the usual Measles-Mumps-Rubella and HHb shots as well ""play nice"" and ""pay attention"" genetical booster shot-style adjustments.

And all the cereals and ""candy juices"" will contain ""229 essential vitamins, minerals, and hormones"".

On the upside, I wonder how much fun it will be to watch Gattaca in real life.

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"Gorilla.800.lbs wrote:
Who cares about human cells? Those chimeras still don''t have human souls! And Bible doesn''t say anything about them either. Right?

Is anyone ready, at all, to accept it when/if it is made clear that humans don''t have souls? I''ll sure find it difficult.

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In California, mice peer from their cages with human brain cells firing inside their skulls.

""What are we going to do tonight, Brain?""
""The same thing we do every night, Pinky, try to take over the world!""

Oh come on.. who else didn''t immediately think that when they read this??

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Is anyone ready, at all, to accept it when/if it is made clear that humans don''t have souls? I''ll sure find it difficult.

You''re trying to disprove the existance of a thing without a definition. Since there''s no clear definition, nor will there ever be since nobody will ever agree upon one, you can''t disprove it.

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You''re trying to disprove the existance of a thing without a definition. Since there''s no clear definition, nor will there ever be since nobody will ever agree upon one, you can''t disprove it.

Weeeell! Check out the big brain on Pyro!

/I concur.

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I can''t wait to see the inevitable ""male enhancement"" spam...

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"Mex wrote:

Weeeell! Check out the big brain on Pyro!

Pulp Fiction?

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Could I live with the shame?

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You could literally poke your own eye out then. That is if you tried by yourself to ummm, errrr, never mind.

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Tripod!

Just felt like saying that.

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