Here''s a little something Spy suggested in the other thread:

The Evo.

Certis, that joystick looks like an S&M toy.

Wow. So I did some searching at Amazon and check out this review I found of the Cougar HOTAS.

Uh... I just want to use the joystick. Not rewire my house. And not wait a third of the year for replacement parts if I get a lemon. A lemon that costs $260.

I had one of the Cougar HOTAS setups. It''s a damned nice setup. I sold it when I wasn''t playing any flight games only because it was too expensive to sit there gathering dust and I wanted a new camera lens. The early units had some production problems but that''s not a problem anymore. Warranty replacement parts are fast, it''s when you buy parts through their relatively new shopping service that it takes time. It is a niche controller though, but one with a crazy community of skilled modders. I had the gimbals replaced in mine with some custom-machined completely redesigned gimbals that did away with the horizontal/vertical notchiness. Very cool stuff but bad for the OCD types like me...

I love the original Precision Pro. I have one sitting here collecting dust as we speak and I am eager to try out Pacific Fighters with it. Why would you want to go with something else? The original versions of the Pro were great and I always hear about people to trying find them because the newer versions Microsoft puts out suck big time!

The only issue I have with mine is that the action on the stick feels a bit loose always has been. I wish the spring was a bit stiffer.

It doesn''t take long to adjust it, either, so my kids also use it without any troubles. Also, it''s just as easy to set up as a left-handed stick.

Cyborg 3D here. Awesome stick.

I have the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro, which is basically the wired version of the joystick PaintHappens referenced. My version has a sturdy quad base rather than the space saving tripod base on the wireless. I only use it for crashing planes and helis in BF 1942 and BF:V and it has served its purpose well. Dramatic Marlin has a very nice Microsoft stick. I''m not sure if that''s the same as the one you have or not.

Oh crap I can see the OOCT now.

The tripod base on my stick has served me well for killing robots in medch warrior 4 plus Mech warrior 4 Mercs. I really haven''t have any problems with lack of stability in it.... I was going to buy the wired version btu Staples ran a sale on it for 29.99 and I happened to have a $30 off $150 coupon... It pays to buy the Ink Cartridges a company sometimes!!

Always a day late and a dollar short.

I''ve seen the cyborg evo in action. It is very desirable. Buy it. I would.

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For the Canadians among us, Futureshop has the Cyborg Evo stick for $59.99 Canadian.

Another vote for Cyborg Evo. I think I saw it for $35 at Wal Mart a few months ago.

I was actually looking at the X45 model that our Best Buy had, Frog. I''m seriously considering it now. I liked the feel and weight.

Can you clarify what you mean by, ''...can adjust it to fit your hand...''? I have small hand''s and I''ve alway''s had some problem''s reaching all the button''s comfortably on several sticks. I had the original Thrustmaster and loved it, but after several year''s finally let it go because of this reason. Same with a couple others. I''ve ended up with the original Precision Pro and it''s lean and mean, but still a bit of the same problem.

Robear: If you read this, that pic of the Cyborg 3D make''s it look like it would be great for someone with smaller hands. True?

Cool. Thanks for the input Spy. I may have to take a close look at this with Pacific Fighter''s coming. Man it''s been a long time since really getting into a flight sim. I hope it doesn''t bust my brain to learn tho''